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General questions

General chemistry questions can be posted here. This is to reduce ‘clutter’ of the main blog. I predict a day when putting all questions here may problematic, but for now I think it’s the right thing to do.

I would respectfully ask that you please include a brief summary of your understanding on the matter at hand – It is helpful for me to know your persepective on what you would like to discuss.

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Note: The original diagram had only one S(s). It was an error but didn’t affect the calculation and final answer.

439 Responses to "General questions"

(original: November 3rd, 2008 at 5:49 am)

dear intechem,
i’ve a bit confusion here.why is that NaCl and NaI hv very high bp?
_thnx_

Hello Haziq and thanks for your question.

Discussions of NaCl and NaI boiling point is usually asked in a relative context i.e. comparing the bpt of one substance with a different substance, and is normally answered by identifying the differences between the substances, then describing how that difference is responsible for the change in bpt. But your question is an ‘absolute’ one, i.e. probing the fundamental reasons as to the magnitude of the boiling point, of which both NaCl and NaI are described as having a high bpt, and so requires a more detailed answer.

NaCl
Melting Point (°C)=808
Boiling Point (°C)=1465
data

NaI
Melting Point (°C)=661
Boiling Point (°C)=1304
data

All mpt’s and bpt’s are determined by forces of attraction.

If a substance has a high mpt or bpt it means the force of attraction in that substance must be strong.

When something melts, the forces of attraction are weakened (note: there is still some attraction) to the point where individual particles making up the substance, can move over each other – i.e. they can ‘flow’

When something boils, the forces of attraction between the individual particles in the substance are completely overcome and the particles move apart. How does this happen? The heat supplied causes the particles to vibrate. On boiling, the energy of vibration is greater than the energy of attraction so the particles are able to fully move apart.

In the case of NaCl, we have forces of ionic attraction between Na+ and Cl- ions. In ionic substances, the size and the charge of the ions determines the physical attraction.
The greater the charge the greater the attraction and the smaller the size, the greater the attraction.

There is an additional factor of how the ions are arranged in their solid form (i.e. the lattice or crystal – but both are Face Centred Cubics) but discussion of that is beyond the scope of this blog.

NaCl and NaI have the simplest of all charges (+1 and 1) but the size of Na+ is quite small. If a main reason was to be given for a high bpt, in this case it would be small size of the anions.

Here’s a simple illustration of ion sizes which you might like to see…
http://www.avon-chemistry.com/p_table_ion_rad.jpg

Does this help answer your enquiry?

for practical exam-identifying the unknown compound:
the appearance of the solid is blue.
through tests we identified that copper(II) ions and sulphate ions are present.
when we suggest the formula of the compound, is CuSO4 acceptable? or it must be written as CuSO4. 5H20?

I don’t think you are expected to know the degree of water of crystalisation in a hydrated salt, certainly not on the Edexcel syllabus.

CuSO4 is usually going to be sufficient.

However, if you were supposed to calculat the amount of water per mole of CuSO4, then in that case, you are very likely to be expected to add the .5H2O (or whatever number you calculated) in your answer.

Salam~

sir , i hv one ques. why is the hydrogen halides are water soluble? can we say that it is because the hydrogen halides is polar?

Thanx!

Sir,

Could we have the exact definition for Relative Isotopic Mass and Relative Molecular Mass as there are numerous different definitions for them and we would like to know the exact one.

Thanks..!

@ twilightsaga December 29th, 2008 at 1:10 pm

Unit 1, topic 1.7, part c: “recall and explain that hydrogen halides are water soluble and acidic in solution”

The syllabus reveals what is important. I’ll explain it in terms of an answer that should be offered if asked to explain what is written in the syllabus.

“Polar molecules dissolve in polar solvents because of the similarity of their intermolecular forces. H2O is a polar molecule so dissolves polar H-X molecules. Going down the group of hydrogen halides, the H-X bond strength weakens allowing dissociation when added to water, producing acidic solutions of growing acidity”

That is the kind of answer expected of AS standard.

Sure there’s a few other things at play here, but anything else is too much really. Esp. for Unit 1.

@ 8m2 December 29th, 2008 at 1:43 pm

Sure thing.

The definitions you find usually mean the same thing, just expressed slightly differently. Having said that the definitions in Edexcels ‘the moles’ book is rather basic and I think they would lose a mark in one of their own exams!!!

Try and stick with these:

The definition of relative atomic mass Ar is:
The weighted average mass of atoms of an element on a scale on which the mass of an atom of carbon12 has a mass of 12 atomic mass units.
The relative atomic mass does not have units.

The definition of Relative Molecular Mass Mr (also referred to as Molar Mass) is:
The average mass of a particular type of molecule on a scale on which the mass of an atom of carbon12 has a mass of 12 atomic mass units. The relative molecular mass does not have units.

The definition of Relative Isotopic Mass is:
The mass of an atom relative on a scale on which the mass of an atom of carbon12 has a mass of 12 units.

salam~

sir , if we want to explain about isotopes having the same chemical properties , can we say that it is the outermost electron which determine it? or is it enuf if we only say that is because they have same num of electrons? *confused*

thanx!

sir..for Qs like:
name the reagent and condition needed to convert X to Y.
if it involves a catalyst, is the catalyst in the category of “condition”?
if it involves solvent, for example conversion of halogenoalkane to Grignard reagent, the dry ether is supposed to be one of the reagents?

hmm…second thing..i’m quite confused with the definition of standard enthalpy of combustion, the part “…is burnt completely in excess oxygen under standard conditions”–when a substance is burning the temperature can’t be 298K..or..am i wrong?

“fix” me sir.
thanks.

Tomorrow I will try and address twilightsaga’s question, including the questions from the past year papers questions that prompted the inquiry (I don’t have them to hand right now)

@ 10 | wen December 30th, 2008 at 10:43 am

“fix me sir” – LOL!

A reagent is a rather loosely used term.

The word reactant almost always used with regards to a specific compound.

It seems to me that the word reagent came about to describe a mixture which contains at least one reactant, which were used to test for some compound.

E.g. Tollen’s reagent (ammoniacal silver nitrate solution}, Brady’s reagent {a mixture of methanol, sulphuric acid, and 2,4-dnp}. Having said that, “Grignard reagent” – probbly the most frequently encountered use of the word reagent at A-level, isn’t really used as a chemical test. If anyone knows better, please let me know!

Edexcel don’t seem to make any distinction, using them interchangeably, not many people I know, actually bother to make the distinction either.

However, a Malaysian Lecturer who did her studies in the US, seemed surprised when I dismissed any difference between reactant and reagent, when I said they were “essentially the same thing”. Maybe they are more a bit more precise in the US.

Catalysts I think come under the category of conditions (as they are not consumed), although often I think Edexcel have asked about catalysts outside the scope of conditions (but I have a horrible feeling they have asked about a catalyst under the heading of conditions also). It’s something I have to check out if I have time.

Solvents are a condition, not reagents, as they are not consumed.

If there isn’t a part of the question specifically talking about catalysts yet they can be discussed somewhere in the question (e.g. reaction conditions are mentioned only when talking about the Haber process) then obviously the thing to do is mention the iron catalyst in the conditions part.

Re: combustion and 298K. Good question. I wondered about this too when I was a youngster. When you burn methane the temperature quite obviously isn’t 298K. The equipment that measures the heat change in combustions, like a bomb calorimeter, measures ALL the heat given off from the start (298K) to the point where 298K is attained again by the finished reaction, so you start and 298, and finish recording heat output when you get back to 298K. That’s how they measure combustions under standard conditions. Neat, huh?

Are you fixed now?

Hi Mr Allan, [name corrected by Admin]:
i got another question for you. =)
The question is on explaining why HF acts as a weak acid in dilute solution compared to other hydrogen halides. Should we explain in terms of covalent bonding in HF or hydrogen bond between HF molecules – that will cause less dissociation.

Hi Mr Allan,
i got another question for you. =)
The question is on explaining why HF acts as a weak acid in dilute solution compared to other hydrogen halides. Should we explain in terms of covalent bonding in HF or hydrogen bond between HF molecules – that will cause less dissociation.

im sorry for typing ur name wrongly in the first post.

It’s the high strength of the H-F bond inside the HF molecule itself that primarily determines the acid strength. There may be some secondary arguements that may modify the compounds acidity (such as identity of the ‘delta+ H’ attracting species etc.), but to treat this question properly, one should really examine the thermodynamics of the process and I don’t have time for that (plus my thermodynamics is in need of some revision), so please forgive me if I say bonding other than the INTERmolecular H-F covanent bond are not relevant.

{your mention of dilute solutions makes me raise an eyebrow!}.

It’s ok about the name. The ‘n’ and ‘h’ are close on the keyboard. But I’m sure you can understand why I had to change it.

@ comment 9, twilightsaga December 30th, 2008 at 2:24 am

Jan 02, Unit 1, Q2 a (iii):
Explain why all isotopes of magnesium have the same chemical properties.(2 marks)
MS says: Same number of electrons (in all magnesium isotopes) (1 mark)
MS says: outer electron structure determines chemical properties (1 mark)

contrast with.

June 06, Q1 e) iv):
Why do isotopes of the same element have the same chemical properties? (1 mark)
MS says: same number of electrons, OR, same electronic configuration/pattern/structure. (1 mark)
NOT same number in outer orbit.
IGNORE “same number of protons”

In both cases the same no. of e- is mentioned and is of course the fundamental starting point to answering the question, hence always got one mark. My guess is an examiner reviewed the Q later, and thought the accepted answer wa a bit sloppy, hence needed more specificity (gosh!). The second mark coming from giving a stronger, more satisfying answer.

It’s not just the number of e- but ALSO how they are arranged.!!

E.g. Mg = 3s2 would have very different chemical properties to a Mg 3s1 3p1 configuration despite them having the same number of valence e-.

I would answer “They have the same electron configuration in the valence shell” That answer automatically gives the same number of e- and say the arrangements are the same. I think my answer is more powerful. Also, given it’s simplicity, it may well appear as the expected wording in future mark schemes.

Hi Mr Allan,
Happy new year!!!
For question of identifying NO2 gas, the identification should be ” brown gas which turns damp blue litmus paper red” right? But i had came across ” turns starch- iodine paper blue-black”. Is that an acceptable answer?
And another thing, i came across two colours of Fe3+ in a copy of analytical investigation. It says brown or violet. The MS for U6A 21Jan 2004 Q3a)iii) also said the solution formed is violet. I am confused… Is it something to do with ligands?
And the last question is…
what is the condition for nucleophillic substitution of HCN on carbonyls? Is it acidic or alkaline? I came across both pH5 and pH8.
thanks a lot!!=)

1) Using starch iodine paper for the brown NO2 gas worries me, because if a reaction produced bromine under hot conditions, it might release a significant amount of Br2 vapour (would look a bit brown) and Br2 vapour would oxidise iodide ions in the starch iodine paper to blue-black also.

It’s very unlikely they will give you a reaction in which Br2 (or Cl2) is given off becasue of their toxicity, even if you are supposed to do it in a fume cupboard, but it is possible – esp if you are using c.H2SO4 and some unknown (which may be a metal halide).

So startch iodine paper isn’t so good.

And actually damp blue litmus paper can be used to distinguish Br2 from NO2 (if you had any confusion that is). The Br2 vapour reacting with the water in the damp paper would bleach the litmus paper whereas the NO2 reaction product with water (mixture of HNO3 and HNO2) would not bleach the paper as the oxidising acid: HNO3, isn’t a strong enough oxidising agent to cause the paper to bleach.

You ask “Is it acceptable?”….. Hummmm I can’t say for certain. Edexcel sometimes “vary” a bit on certain issues but this one does leave me feeling uncomfortable. My advice: stick with the damp blue litmus paper.

2) The Fe3+ violet colour is due to the organic compound forming a complex with the Fe3+. I think it’s violet colours are typical of Fe(III) complexes with phenol type organics. One thing is for sure, it cannot be from our standard hexa aqua Fe(II) or (III) complexes as we’ve seen, and know the colour of them.

Marks are only awarded for reporting the colour. No inference was required at that stage. So it looks like it’s meant to support the ‘phenol type’ evidence of the test given by the white ppte forming when aq. Br2 was added to a solution of unknown C. And most likely the mark is a ‘reward’ for successfully doing the oxidation of Fe2+ to F3+ using Pb(IV) oxide.

I Don’t feel so happy about this however, as students are not required to have seen/know Fe(III)/phenol complexes, so they may get the mark for the pure observation but they won’t be able to use it to reinforce the ‘must be a phenol’.

Oh well…

3) Nucleohholic substitution e.g. halogenoalkanes to nitriles. Potassium or sodium cyanide is usually used. It ionises in the ethanol solvent producing the nucleophile (:CN)- I don’t think there is a need to buffer it as there isn’t any source of acid(or base) present. I don’t know of any references to that. I meant to say… I don’t know of any references to buffering in these kinds of reactions.

I think the buffering is only used in the raction with carbonyls – when Hydrogen cyanide reactions involving carbonyls are used, I think you get the best conditions if slightly alkaline or slightly acidic conditions are used. Too acidic or too alkaline and you get hydrolysis of the nitrile to the carbox. acid or its carboxylate anion respectively. But it needs to be a bit acidic or a bit alkaline to get the some HCN(acidic conditions) and (:CN)- ions(alkaline condition). You get better conditions by doing this balancing act.

Hope that helps.

Good Q’s as usual.

salam..
i’ve a question..its frm jan 06,Q4 (b) i unit 2..” draw enough of the chain of poly(propene) to make its structure clear”
should we drawn as one repeating unit or a continuous chain?
ex : —[-CH2-CH(CH3)-]n— or
—CH2-CH(CH3)–CH2-CH(CH3)–CH2-CH(CH3)–
which one should i choose? still confuse til now..

hi mr allan,
im not sure whether this question falls under this category. anyway, i have one simple question regarding the flame test. Usually in da exams or practicals, we luckily only got lilac flame for almost all experiments. But, what if we got red coloured flame? I know there are 3 metal ions whuch have 3 red colours, which are calcium(brick-red), strontium(crimson) n lithium (scarlet).. However, it is definitely not easy to defferentiate the 3 colours. So, what is the most safest answer to write if we got a red flame?

btw, thanx for correcting my mistake about the lab practical we did. I think the mark scheme I have is for the other gp.

If it’s not a past years Q, then don’t worry, this is as good a place as any to put it.

If you got red, there would either be information in the question to help you decide which one it was, e.g. Unknown X is the salt of a group 1 metal., or the thermal stability of this is the lowest for the s-block… …Something like that
OR

At some stage, you may have done chemical tests. E.g. add hydroxide ions or carbonate ions to the solution of the unknown, try and thermally decompose it… etc.

My advice: Try and make a plan how to identify whether an unknown solid contains LiCl, CaCl2 or SrCl2

@ comment 20 neeesssaa January 3rd, 2009 at 2:44 pm

—[-CH2-CH(CH3)-]n— seems fine to me. The question is ‘disguising’ itself from the usual way it’s asked, which is: “Give the repeating unit of polypropene”.

I think they’ve “disguised” the question to see if you appreciate the ‘core structure’ of the polymer and that it repeats. Asking bluntly for ‘repeating unit’ is more of an exercise in how good you are at impersonating a parrot!

You did draw a structure rather than a formula right? I know the above is the sent you can offer here, but I’m just checking. The word ‘structure’ should not be ignored.

I may move your comment to the PAst Years Questions here please section.

ok thanks.. yup i draw a structure.. so if this type of q’s appear i should draw only ONE repeating unit with the n at the end of the structure eh..

That should do. There’s no indication that you should draw two (or more) units

Salam sir..

1) What is the difference btw “initial rate of reaction” and
“rate of reaction”? Is there any difference? or merely to make the former sounds nicer?

2) I came across a Q (actually it’s in one of our topic test, dated 15Sept08) with the equation

CH4(g) + 6H20(s) –> [CH4(H20)6] (s)

and we hv to write Kp expression.

Kp involves gases but in the above equation, water, and methane hydrate exist as solid

Shd we include them in Kp?
Or shd the Kp be

Kp = 1 / p(CH4) ?

Salam 2u2.

Initial rate is a special ‘once only’ value. ‘Rate’ without being proceeded by the word ‘initial’ is a gereral term of any rate at any particular moment in time.

As a reaction proceeds, the rate changes – becoming smaller. The initial rate is when the rate of the reaction is at its fastest, and from this data, we can work out order of reaction. See initial rates mothod.

Do NOT put solids in Kp expressions. Kp talks about gas pressure, so only terms relating to gases will be in a Kp expression.

Kp = 1 / p(CH4) is correct.

May i know, is the answer above by the real Mr Allan? Or an impostor? Juz wondering, as the name used is not same as previous names..
And there had been impostor cases b4, as faced by LC.
Bid forgiveness if it’s the real Mr Allan.

Don’t worry. It was me. Nobody could copy my poor spelling ;) LOL

Hi sir, will CO2 dissolve in water assuming we put CO2 and water in say, an inverted burette held up in a beaker of water? I mean will it dissolve significantly enough that that technique will not be a good one to see how much co2 is produced? what about H2?

CO2 does dissolve in water. It forms carbonic acid

CO2(g) + H2O(l) CO2(aq) – dissolving.
CO2(aq) + H2O(l) H2CO3 {carbonic acid} – reacting
H2CO3 + H2O(l) HCO3- & H3O+

The blood makes exensive use of that last equilibrium and buffers the blood to pH 7.4

More CO2 will dissolve as the pressure increases. At 1 atm, the eqm of the first equation lies heavily to the left. You can see this in everyday situations with bottles of fizzy drinks (BM: air gas). It doesn’t dissolve much as the CO2 is non polar (despite having polar bonds!).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carbonic_acid

H2 only has 2e- and is non-polar. Even the temporary dipoles ar incredibly weak, as shown by the fact it boils at about -250oC or thereabouts.

As for techniques… as it’s likely these questions are being asked in relation to trying to prepare for the planning exercise, it would not be appropriate for me to comment.

Sir,

For chemistry equilibrium, why is it that the equal forward and backward rates causes the equilibrium concentration to remain constant?

Rate is defined as change in concentration over change in time so…

if we were to set it over a specified amount of time eq 3 secs:

Thus is the amount of reactants used for the forward reaction and the amount of products formed (which are the reactants for the reverse reaction) equal?

Thus why are the amounts (thus concentration) equal at equilibrium as rate is defined as change in reactants ( for both forward reactions and reverse reactions respectively)… which would not mean that the products formed are equal to the amount of the corresponding reactants which formed it….

Which would lead the amounts of both reactants and products not being constant thus not at equilibrium!

Your help sir would be TRULY appreciated and i hope this could be replied ASAP as it is always at the back of my mind.

Thanks sir!!!

hello sir,

i’ve come across a number of questions which are very similar to each other..and after a while they confuse me.

basically, the question asks us to give equations for the reaction of NaCl and HCl with water. So in these equations, obviously the NaCl dissociates in water to give it’s Na+ and Cl- ions right.. and, HCl to give Cl- and H3O+ ions.

what confuses me is that in several mark schemes that i checked, for these kinda questions that ask us to EXPLAIN what happens, they say the NaCl is ionic so it dissociates in water, but HCl is covalent so it REACTS with water to form hydrated ions. why is it just because HCl is covalent so it REACTS?

is it because the energy liberated during covalent bond breaking of HCl in the water need to be compensated for by forming new bond with water molecules?

tq sir~

@ comment:32 alm January 11th, 2009 at 9:20 am

Hi ‘alm’
We’ve already discussed this face to face, but this reply is given for the benefit (?) of all.

For any given reaction, the equilibrium equation is indeed a ratio of the rate for the forwards reaction and the reverse reaction. i.e. the rate equations divided by eachother according to a convention.

At eqm, the concentrations of reactant and prod are constant but don’t have to be equal! Most equilibria under standard conditions point to the left(reactants side) or to the right) products side)

I tried today to see if I could try and show this mathematically in a page or two. I couldn’t. The mathematics is quite detailed, and it’s been quite some time since I’ve played around with it, that I’m quite rusty.

But at equilibrium the two rates are equal, which is why neither concn changed any more.

The constant value the rate ratio’s evaluate to, does depend somewhat on the stoichiometries of the reactants in the equation, but that is simply because the parameters which make up the order of reaction simplify at equilibrium, and effective only leave the parts that are linked to the number of species in the coefficinets in the balanced chemical equation, which then go on to appear in the equilibrium equation.

for A-level equilibrium is almost completely discussed without reference to rate, other than appearing in a ‘super duper’ version of the definition of dynamic equilibrium.

When discussion equilibrium, its v. rare to have to treat eqm in a mathematical sence that involves the rate equations.

If noone has a clue what I’m talking about, it doesn’t matter one bit. Treat kinetics and eqm exactly as you did before and there won’t be any conceptual problems.

I don’t like saying things like that but as being of limited knowledge in regards to every single thing that ever is, it is often (but not always) better for us to take the simplest way around a problem.

@ comment:33 Natasha January 12th, 2009 at 2:01 pm

Natasha asked: “Why is it just because HCl is covalent so it REACTS?”

Because in HCl, the e- in the covalent bond are shared. If when addded to water, HCl goes on to form H+ and Cl- (which it does!), then the H-Cl bond breaks and the electrons in that bond redistribute. Redistribution of e- is a the description of a chemical eaction.

In an ionic compound, the electrons have already separated when the ionic solid was formed. In NaCl, the Na give an electron to a Cl atom. So adding ionic NaCl to water doesn’t change the arrangement of e- in either the Na or the Cl, hence no reaction occurs when added to water.

Does that answer it? :)

yep, thanks sir! :)

Can we, or can we not, use pencil for drawing structural formulae, drawing mechanisms, and labelling stuff (e.g. Ea) on graphs?

The front page says DO NOT USE PENCIL

But will they actually penalise if not allowed for drawings, and the pencil is really black, after all they are scanning it in and it looks just like pen?

Once more apologies for the late reply. Got loads of things to do.

Pencils are allowed for sketches and graphs (joining data points). The instruction DO NOT USE PENCIL refers to written (as opposed to sketched) answers.

I’ve never seen an Edexcel directive saying ‘penalise if they use a pencil; so it shouldn’t be a problem.

They don’t like pencil as it may reflect/scatter the light of the scanner and give poor sanned images.

Akmar asked: in conjugate base n acid equ, if they giv equ n ask 2 identify acid n conjugate base, acid 1 react with base 1, or acid 1 wil produce conj base 1. Thx!

Answer will follow later… I have to go now.

Acid1 and base1 appear on the LHS, acid2 and base2 on the RHS, even though there is nothing ‘sacred’ about this terminology.

e.g.

CH3COOH(aq) + NH3(aq) = CH3COO-(aq) & NH4+(aq)

CH3COOH(aq) is acid1
NH3(aq) is base1
CH3COO- is base2
NH4+ is acid2

These days, Edexcel have moved away from this rather silly/clumbsy way of asking the question and seem to have replaced it with “name the acid/base conjugate pairs

Using the example above CH3COOH(aq) is the acid CH3COO- is its conjugate base

NH3(aq) is the base and NH4+ is its conjugate acid

“Acid1 and base2 appear on the LHS, acid2 and base2 on the LHS, even though there is nothing ’sacred’ about this terminilogy.”

Sir. i guess u were in a rush.
Anyway, the “easy approach” to it is..
base 1 react with acid 1
base 2 react with acid 2

that means acid 1 produce conjugate base 2
acid 2 produce conjugate base 1.

Is it correct?

UMPH!!! Yes… *aaagh*! I was in a rush… I typed the wrong number. When the heck are we going to get around to telaphy? I think light years quicker than I can type, or even worse.. write!

Acid 1 and Base 1 on LHS produce Base2 and Acid2 on RHS
conjugates on RHS, ‘cos the equation is written as them appearing as products.

acid 1 produce (conjugate) base 2
base 1 produce (conjugate) acid 2.

(I’m going to edit the error after posting this)

sir,

i was wondering

1) lattice enthalpy values in practical is less exothrmic compared to the theoretical one due to the covalent charactristic…why does this happened? why covalent chracter makes energy less being released?

2) how can we determine the slow step(rate determining step) from the rate equation….is it from the order of the reaction? for example :
rate = [HA]”[M]‘….in rate determining step, do they both will involve or there’s other factors to determine it? i’m very weak in this topic…

3) in organic chem, sometimes there are more than 1 functional group…what is the easiest way of determining which funtional group will be invovled?

help me….
thank you…

just now i asked u about covalent character affects the lattice entalphy value….in my understanding, less energy release is due to less strength of the bond….is the covalent character makes the ionic bond weaker? so less compact to form solid….therefore less energy release…is it?

Hi.

1) Experiemntal LE’s are more exothermic than theoretical LE’s, because the theoretical LE is based upon a purely ionic model.

In the real life lattice, you get a degree of covalency also, which acts as ‘additional’ bonding. To overcome this additional bonding, i.e. break the bond, more enthalpy must be put in. Meaning, the enthalpy released when the bond first formed (i.e. the LE) must be greater in magnitude, and bond making is exothermic, so the LE is more exothermic than for purely ionic systems (which don’t actually exist!)

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2) The rate equation tells you how many reactant MOLECULES were involved up to and including the slow step.

if rate = k[A]^2 [B]^1 that means the slow step won’t ‘happen’ until 2 A (the two comes from the order of the specific reagent) and 1 B were used.

If the (overall) chemical equation was 3A + B -> 2D
then a proposed mechanism would be

A + B -> X + Y
X + A -> D (SLOW STEP – I’ve used 2A and 1B already)
Y + A -> D

You have to make the individual mechanism ‘fit’ the rate quation. As soon as it fits (like in the 2nd part) then you say that is the slow step.

In your example, as soon as I’ve used up one HA and one M that write ‘slow rate determinign step’ next to the equation where HA and M had been ‘consumed’. I can easily do this in a single step:

If (overall) chemical equation was:

HA + 2M -> P (note: I meant to write HA + 2M -> 2P)
then I’d write

HA + M -> T (slow)
T + M -> 2P

for my proposed mechamism.
:)

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3) It depends on the reagent you are using.

e.g. if you have C=C and COOH
If you add Br2(in organic solvent) the Br2 will
add across the double bond.
If you add NaOH(aq) then the COOH will react
to form COONa(aq)

So look at the reagent.

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Does that help? this should also answer comment 44 by “intec studnt” March 8th, 2009 at 3:45 pm

P.S. You can sms me and tell me there is a Q waiting
to be answered if it’s urgent.

yes, yes…..thank you, sir….

sir,
according to your answer for rate determining step, the last example…

the overall equation is HA + 2M -> P

then the steps suppose to be

HA + M -> T (slow)

T + M -> P (its suppose to be single P, right?)

Aaagg! I left off the 2.!

In my mind the chemical eqn was: HA + 2M -> 2P
in which case my mechanism was correct.

But if, as I actually wrote, the chem eqn was HA + 2M -> P, then your correction for the last part of the mechanism is correct i.e.
T + M -> P

Sorry for that.error. Good that you spotted it. It shows you have good understanding.

hi….
can i ask u some Qs abt aluminium compound?

1. why AlCl3 is covalent and Al2O3 is ionic?Al is a metal and chlorine is non-metal..how can al-cl form covalent bond?
2. why anhydrous AlCl3 is ionic and hydrated AlCl3 is covalent?
3. how AlCl3 can form Al2Cl6 when it is heated?

mia. Hello.

1) a) data:
dH(f for Al2O3) = -1675.7
dH(atom for Al) = +326
sum of 1st IE, 2nd IE and 3rd IE for Al = +5138.9
dH(atom for O) = +249
sum of 1st IE and 2nd IE for O = +657
LE for Al2O3 = -15,263.5 kJ mol-1 !!!! This number is hugely exothermic!!! indicating it’s v.favourable to be ionic. A covalent structure isn’t likely to be anywhere near this. Now we need to think about polarisability.

O2- is about 0.16 nm in ionic radius
Al(3+) is about 0.05 nm in ionic radius – which is v. v. small!
Despite Al(3+) being incredibly polarising, O2- is very small and is very poorly polarisable, O2- is arguably the 2nd most small common ion (F- is smaller), so Al(3+) can hardly polarise O(2-). Some polarisation occurs, but not isn’t dominant, so a high degree of charge separation still remains. Al2O3 is ionic.

For AlCl3
dH(atom Cl2) = +121 kJ mol-1
dH(e.a. for Cl) = -351 kJ mol-1
dH(f AlCl3) = -352.1 kJ mol-1 -703.4
A quick play with these numbers gives the LE of AlCl3 to be about -5235.4 kJ mol-1. A lot less reason to be ionic than Al2O3.

Now, considering AlCl3 ionic or AlCl3 covalent, we have just calculated LE for AlCl3 (an ionic model) and we must now consider polarisation: The Cl- ion, because of its size, is polarisable, and Al3+ is highly polarising. It results in a large amount of e- density between both the Al and Cl giving it dominat covalent character.

2) anhydrous AlCl3 (i.e. covalent AlCl3) isn’t as thermodynamically as stable as hydrated AlCl3 (i.e. ionic AlCl3), which is why, over time, anhydrous AlCl3 reacts with trace amounts of water and turns into hydrated AlCl3.

When water is present, the lp on O in a water molecule reacts with the Al (Al-Cl bond breaks and e- go onto Cl – you should know the mechanism for this reaction) and with just the right amount of water will give you [Al(H2O)6]3+(Cl-)3 i.e. a hexaaqua Al cationic complex surrounded by anionic Cl- ions. The Cl- anions aren’t polarised by the Al3+ anymore as the hexaaqua complex has the 3+ charge delocalised over the whole complex [sometimes called the 'ion sphere' as the complex is kind of 'ball shaped'] dramatically reducing its polarising power towards anions. So overall it has turned into ionic hydrated AlCl3

*phew*

3) The dimerisation of AlCl3 into Al2Cl6 seems from my experiences to vary according to which book you read. I think the thermal energy causes a greater degree of vibrational freedom and so the shape from trigonal planar (120o Cl-Al-Cl bond angles) can change. This exposes the e- deficient Al to Cl atoms from a different AlCl3 molecule allowing the lone pair on Cl to attack the e- deficient Al (dative bond forms) making a 4 bonded Al. The complementary attack by Cl on the first molecule to the Al in the second molecule happens (as there all in close proximity) forming your dimer.

That is just a guess from my knowledge of chem. It may be completely wrong. But heheheh, hurray – it’s not on the syllabus!!

Does that help?

yes,thank u sir…

sir,
this is Qs jun 07 unit 5 no.3…
i still dont get it….

E ○/V
Zn2+ + 2e– —–> Zn – 0.76
Cu2+ + 2e– —–> Cu + 0.34
NO3– + 2H+ + e– ——> NO2 + H2O + 0.81

(i) Use the half equations given above and the values of E ○ to calculate the standard electrode potential for the reaction between zinc and nitric acid and derive the equation.

i got d answer which is +1.57V…..

(ii) Suggest why zinc does not produce hydrogen with nitric acid

according to the marking scheme :

Ereaction for the production of hydrogen is (+) 0.76 (V) (1)
smaller than reaction in (i) so is less likely (1)

OR

NO3- being the oxidised form of a redox couple with a
more positive E o than E o H+/½ H2 (1)
is a stronger oxidising agent than H+ (1)

i dont understand the answer….why it said the production of hydrogen is +0.76? and how cud i know that the NO3- is more positive E than H+? if NO3- is more positive, then its hard for it to release e, isnt it? then it will accept e and itself being reduced….so is that why it’s a stronger oxidising agent? fix me, sir…..

hi #52, intec studnet, March 15th, 2009

Good question and a lot of students get tripped up by this one. It kind of demonstrates how sometimes mark schemes can be a bit tricky for students to use as it’s designed for the smarty pants lecturers

Nitric acid is a strong acid. when first added to water it completely dissociates. HNO3(aq) –> H+(aq) + (NO3)-(aq)
so a solution of nitric acid already contains H+(aq)

we are told to consider reaction with Zn with H+ from nitric acid solution to produce H2. So, from H+(aq) to H2(g), what reaction is that??…. It’s the standard hydrogen electrode!

aaaaaaah!

and we know the standard hydrogen electrode has an E(std) of +0.00 V. for H+(aq) + e- –> 1/2 H2(g)

So, couple(i.e. join) this the Zn half-equation with the std. hydrogen equation to give Zn(s) + 2H+(aq) –> Zn(2+)aq + H2(g) and you will get +0.76V :)

As for “the NO3- is more positive E than H+” it means the reaction of NO3- with Zn compared to the reaction of H+ with Zn. You know E for reaction of NO3- with Zn becasue you already calculated it as +1.57V. I think because you were missing the stepping-stone involving the realisation of the std. hydrogen electrode as mentioned earlier, then this caused the problem here.

If a reaction is more +’ve then electron transfer between the reacting species, i.e. in the reaction overall will be more thermodynamically favourable. I think you are only thinking about an isolated half cell.

Fix me sir. LOL. I’ve heard that expression before. Are you fixed now?

if it’s more positive, more thermodynamically favourable, then the reaction is more likely to happen. which means Zn and NO3- more likely to react to form H2O rather than with H+ to form H2….am I correct, sir?

Yes :)

what is multidentate ligand and unidentate ligand, sir?
and it is stated that multidentate showing by EDTA(4-) is more stable than unidentate due to it’s ability to displaces more H2O than unidentate….why it’s more stable when more water being displaced? and can this topic b asked as detail as this in our exam, sir?

A multidentate (meaning ‘many toothed’) ligand, is a molecule or ion that contains more than one atom with a lone pair which can be used to form a coordinate (or dative) bond to a metal ion.

e.g. H2N-CH2-CH2-NH2 (abbreviated to ‘en’) is a multidentate ligand (specifically it’s bidentate). Each N has a lone pair allowing for a total of two coordinate bonds per ‘en’ molecule.

The EDTA complex you mentioned is more stable due to it displacing water molecules as the increase in ENTROPY is greater. EDTA + hexaaqua complex {2 species} –> [Metal(EDTA)] complex + 6 H2O molecules {now 7 species}

7 species can exist in more configurations, i.e. it can ‘mix more’ than 2 species can therefore 7 species mixture is more disordered o chaotic, so has greater entropy.

The syllabus is a bit vague:
U5, Topic 5.2 e) “understand simple ligand exchange processes” and
f) recall the formation of hydroxide precipitates on the addition of aqueous solutions of sodium hydroxide or ammonia, and that some hydroxide precipitates react with an excess of strong alkali, and some react with an excess of ammonia; limited to cations with formula
Cr3+, Mn2+, Fe2+, Fe3+, Co2+, Ni2+, Cu2+, Zn2+
…• the concepts of deprotonation and ligand exchange should be applied to these reactions

As a conclusion, I very much doubt such specific stuff will appear.

If you know this:

If a reaction happens it is because the product is thermodynamically more favourable that the reactant. EDTA will displace ligands if it is thermodynamically favourable to do so. 1 EDTA can replace 6 monodentate ligands or 3 bidentate ligands or 2 tridentate ligands. The structure of EDTA is… then you should be fine.

assalamualaikum sir (^_^)
i have a Q which might be simple 4 u,but not 4 me. could u explain whats is optical isomers is all about and also the geometric isomers..this topic is very famous in exam,but i don’t really understand bout it.thanks sir..

Waalaikum assalam.

Hi Nurul. I’m not sure exactly that parts of optical activity is puzzling to you, so here is just a little bit:

Optical isomers are molecules (or molecular ions) which cannot be superimposed on it’s mirror image.

e.g. CH3-CH3-CH(CH3)-COOH

If you built 100 models of the molecule above, and then tried to put one model directly on top of the remaining 99 (i.e. try and superimpose the molecules), you may notice that approximately 50% of the time, no matter how much you rotate, invert or flip the model, you cannot superimpose them. It’s not that you made the models wrong (I hope!) but because for this particular molecule, The 3-dimensional arrangement of the same sequence of atoms is different

If you place two of these non-superimposable molecules side by side, you may notice each is the mirror image of the other.

Generally, they have the same chemical and physical properties, but show one big difference… the effect the have on “the plane of polarisation of monochromatic plane polarised light.”

A pure sample containing molecules of the same 3D arrangement, will rotate the plane of rotation of monochromatic plane polarised light in one direction, lets say 12o to the right (i.e. +12 degrees) . Whereas a pure sample of the other 3D arrangement will rotate the plane of rotation of monochromatic plane polarised light in the opposite direction by the same amount to the left, i.e. -12 degrees.

The molecule and it’s non-superimposable mirror image are called a pair of enantiomers. So an enantiomer is a single molecule in that pair. An enantiomer is not superimposable on it’s mirror image.

what more do you need to know?

Have a quick look here: http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/jcesoft/cca/CCA5/MAIN/1ORGANIC/ORG09/TRAM09/A/MENU.HTM

Geometric isomers are molecules with the same sequence of atoms but have a different 3D arrangement due to restricted bond rotation and each atom in the restricted bond has two different groups attached to it An isomer can be superimposed in its mirror image (distinguishing it from optical isomers).

For edexcel, the restricted bond is almost always C=C carbon based molecules, but they could also use a ring structure, e.g. 1,2-dichlorocyclohexane (you can get cis and trans for these molecules also despite them not having a C=C!)

salam sir.

i’m working out with my planning..
is there any technique on answering these type of questions.?

does edexcel have any specific type or pattern of the question..?

exp : if i see any gas, i shud relate it with gas sringe etc.

somehow, i am not good on planning an experiment.

p/s: its so hard to study at home. too much distraction. >_<

tq.

sir, i always come acroos these questions until i can remember the answer, but, the thing is, i dunt really understand why it happens.

Q1:

rxn 1 – SnO2 + 4HCl –> SnCl4 + 2H20
rxn 2 – SnO2 + 4HCl –> SnCl2 + Cl2 + 2H20

Which rxn is more likely to happen.? explain. (2mrks)

Answr : rxn 1. bcause for Sn, +4 oxdtion state is more stable than +2 oxdtion state. Sn(IV) will not oxidise Cl- to Cl2

what does it mean by “more stable”? n y is it more likely to happen?

Q2:

explain the solubility of hydroxide n sulphates of group 2.

thanx..

nuur :)

I didn’t know what exactly was causing us ‘stress’ about optical and geometric isomers, so I just covered what I thought might have been the problem. If I missed the thing that yor stuck on, please let me know.

Re: planning exercises. I don’t think there is a ‘technique’, that is why Edexcel love them. The best thing you can do is read as many planning exercises from past year papers as you can, and read the marks scheme. Then after reading the m.s. (not memorising it!!) then try and write out the answer yourself. If you have good composition skills, it will be easier for you to get your points across and also assist you to get through the logic in a smooth(er) fashion, both mentally and on writing it on the paper.

Go Here ( http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20Curriculum%202000/331858_User_guide_2003_version.pdf ) go to page 14 /34 on the pdf (or document page 12) to get an idea of the scope of things they may ask you for planning exercises.

I advise you make a summary table like that pdf above, based on what you see in your past years papers.

—————————————-

Q1:

rxn 1 is an acid base rxn
rxn 2 is a redox reaction.

I don’t know the specific values, but an educated guess would lend me to say it means Sn4+ is thermodynamically and kinetically more stable compared to the Sn2+ state (visualised on an reaction profile diagram), meaning when going from Sn+4 to Sn+2 you need to put more energy in and the enthalpy of reaction would be less exo than the energy put in going from Sn2+ to Sn4+ which would be a more exo reaction.

It is energetically more likely that Sn will stay in it’s most stable +4 sate, a bit like CO2 is the more thermodynamically stable compound compared to CH4. To prove the Sn examples, you could physically do the reactions and saw which one happened, or you could look at the thermodynamic data, and do a rates experiment to calculate dH(rxn) and Ea.

Q2: explain the solubility of hydroxide n sulphates of group 2. Oh boy! That is perhaps the toughest thing on the A-lev syllabus, and I’m not too sure exactly what aspect of that is problematical to you. Let me recommend you read the Edexcel A2 student conference slides (go to slide 4/31) ( http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20Curriculum%202000/264938_chemistry.pdf ) Then after reading that, please tell me what you need clarification of.

The AS part is here ( http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20Curriculum%202000/264934_chemistry_session_1.pdf )

If you were more specific about Q2 I could give the answer more rapidly.

Please write in again if things still aren’t clear.

“exp : if i see any gas, i shud relate it with gas sringe etc.”

collecting a gas in a frictionless syringe in a horizontal orientation is often used in quantitative chem (moles/conc/mass determination etc) as well as kinetics and also for equilibrium experiments.

But because of the variability of planning exercises, it’s hard to make the absolute statement: “when you see gas think syringe, syringe, syringe” but thinking of using those techniques for planning exercises seems reasonable. to me.

I would advise you think it through at least twice BEFORE you start writing. As your thinking, try and imagine if there is any flaws in your plan. Also write in bullet points rather than ‘Shakespeare’ sentences and paragraphs – it may be easier.

sir,

there are some questions about the boiling point diagram for particular organic compounds… (which often related to Raoult’s law)
i am not sure how to answer Q when i’ve been asked to

1) explain how fractional distillation separates the mixture
containing 0.75 mole fraction of 2-methylpropan-1-ol.

2) explain how fractional distillation of a mixture of 50% octane and
50% hexane can be used to produce pure hexane (lower boiling point)

both Qs asked us to refer to the diagrams given, so i need to draw at least two lines in the diagram…do the values (0.75 mole fraction and 50:50) give any clue of answering these Qs? or I can just draw the line on the diagram wherever i like?

0.75 mole fraction is the vapour pressure contribute by 2-methylpropan-1-ol, am I right sir? and does this give us clue that it is more volatile than the other one? is that why it is more richer?

50:50 represents the composition of the mixture, do I have to use it to answer the Q or just focus on which is more volatile and more richer in vapour?

let say if it is 3 marks,

then, the final mark is of course the condense, reboil steps until i get the pure product…..

so, please help me how to get the first and the second marks…
which are the important points to be included?

do you have a second compound for part 1? 2-methylpropan-1-ol and ____?

Please see the diagram at the top of this page.

could you re-type out the whole Q for part 1? You may get marks for fully labeling the diagram. I don’t know how ‘filled in’ it is.

In the cases you mentioned: 0.75 mole fraction and 50:50, these numbers tell you where to start drawing your lines from on te horizontal (or x-asis). I’ve given a diagram above using 50:50.

[ You probably know this, but a compound with 0.75 mole fraction means it is present in a 75% amount by moles,
Mole fraction = moles of a particular compound / total moles of all compounds present in a mixture. ]

A single ‘mole fraction value’ alone gives no info about which is the more volatile. But with additional info, it can reveal which is the most volatile. For example: we are told “after condensing, the resultant liquid has mole fraction of substance “P” in the mixture. This tells us “P” was the most volatile.

In the diagram above to get pure hexane, You would have to draw the red lines, the blue lines and according to the way I drew my diagram, there should be another set of lines that you would have to daraw. I didn’t show them as the diagram would be too crowded. Drawing the third set of lines means you should ‘hit’ the y axis and get 100 of the particular compound when the gas is condensed.

So do full diagram as shown above. Explain:

“the 50:50 mixture is bouled. The composition of the gas at that given temp {i.e. we ‘take a reading’ going horizontally across} is given by the upper curve. The composiiton of the gas is richer in the more volatile component. The gas cooled and condenses. This process is illustrated using by the red line. The condensate eventually boild again after absorbing more heat. The composition of this gas is again richer (compared to the liquid it came from) in the more volatile component, getting closer to becoming a pure substance. This is shown by the blue lines. The second condensate is boiled again and this time the composition of the gas consists purely of one substnace given once more by the upper curve. the gas is condensed into a pure liquid”

Something like that la. That should get you full marks. I think a fully labeled and clear diagram would probably be acceptable for most marks. If the Q said “explain” then you shoudl give some words to accompany the diagram.

Does that help? Basically – just describe what is happening with the arrows!

one and a new gas

thanks sir 4 the optical n geometrical isomers explanation sir. so,we can say that if a molecule is not optically active, means that it have planar structure,isn’t it?
thus the molecule can be equally attacked at both side and produced a racemic mixture….
(im not very clear with what the racemic mixture is all about,but its just another name for mixture of molecule that can be attacked at both side,am i right sir??)

hmm,sorry sir,but there is another Q that keep on hunting me since i was a baby..hehehe

what is the specific formula to count the enthalpy change when the Q give the data for each enthalpy change of the reactants n product?coz i always got the wrong answer for this type of Q.

for ex: Qjune08 2C.

2S(l)+2H20(l)+3O2(g) ->2H2SO4(l)

the data given only :
H2O= -286
H2SO4= -814

what is the general formula to calculate this type of Q?

n yet,another confirmation is needed here,am i right that the data given is just for H2O n H2SO4 since the other compounds are in their standard state.so we dont need to include them. isn’t it?

im confused coz there is multiple formula being used by my friends such as
enthalpy change= bonds breaking – bond forming
or another one is
enthalpy change = products – reactants
(these formula make me confused to used which one n at last end up getting wrong answer!)
which one is correct? why they have different calculation but eventually same answer??? how they DERIVE THE FORMULA?
coz sometime in certain cases which i am consider to be lucky,my answer is correct,but mostly i got it wrong!!shame on me…i know this type of Q shouldn’t be a problem to most of the students,but sadly not for me..i do have problem with this type of Q..help me sir!

typing error!!the sulphur is in solid state. my mistake.sorry.

68 | nurul, March 19th, 2009 at 8:28 am

Something that is NOT optically active [O.A.] isn’t necessarily planar. E.g. methane=tetrahedral & isn’t O.A also CO2=planar & isn’t O.A. either. What you can claim is: An optically active molecule cannot be planar.

It seems like you are thinking about planar molecules, or ‘reaction sites’ in molecules which are planar. These planar molecules are not themselves O.A., but react to produce O.A. products.chiral compounds e.g.:

ethanal + KCN/HCN –> CH3-C(OH)(CN)H

The carbonyl carbon, i.e. the C with the =O in ethanal is trigonal planar, but ethanal is not O.A. (or sometimes called chiral), but the product of the reaction… 1-hydroxyethanenitrile is chiral.

The planar C=O can be attacked from either side Attack from one side will give one enantiomer, attack from the other side will produce the other enantiomer. As the CN- has an equal chance of attacking C=O from either side, then a 50/50 mixture (called a racemic mixture) of both enantiomers.

ttp://www.btinternet.com/~chemistry.diagrams/nucleophilic_addition.swf The two products shown cannot be superimposed.

Try and make 3D models. This usually is great in helping people get to grips with it.

Let me recap: A racemic mixture can form from the reaction of some trigonal planar functional groups. The result will be a mixture of products called a racemic mixture.

69 | nurul, March 19th, 2009 at 8:58 am

Please see the enthalpy cycle above, near the top of this post, for the reaction you mentioned. (sorry but the quality of the pic degraded when I saved it as .jpg I think it’s generally ok to get the points across. Some of the ‘stems’ of the letters e.g. “H” in H2SO4(l) got ‘cut out’. Is it OK?)

1) Learn your definitions. This is VITALLY important. These definitions usually talk about one mole being formed or one mole being burnt. And the data given refers to those definitions.

But the questions often involve more than one mole, so you usually have to multiply up the values given.

Also in these types of Q’s there is usually a point in the cycle where all elements in their standard states at 298K are collected. The products given in the question form another point in the cycle as does some other point with an ‘intermediate’ molecule (don’t get that phrase mixed up with intermediate used in discussions of some organic reactions!) on the way to forming the product. In the case you gave, the intermediate is H2O.

The answer -1056 kJ mol-1 refers to the equation:
2S(s) + 2 H2O(l) + 3O2(g) –> 2H2SO4(l). The question may have various ‘twists’ in it for example by asking you how much energy would be liberated when one mole of the H2SO4 is formed using the equation given.

2 moles = -1056 kJ mol-1, 1 mole = -526 kJ mol-1
but the enthalpy LIBERATED (already assumes it’s negative) is the magnitude of that i.e. 526 kJ mol-1

They may also ask the Q in terms of grams instead of the ‘half mole’ bit I used.

Practice these cycles. With practice you WILL get really good. Sometimes you just need a ‘breakthrough’ moment to ‘crack’ any mental block you may have.

It’s almost 100% guaranteed that one of these WILL come up in the U2 exam. In U4 you will get a Q based on Born-Haber cycles and v.v. likely in addition to that a LE, HE and dH(solution) question.

sorry sir, this is the full Q….

Propan-1-ol boils at 82°C and 2-methylpropan-1-ol at 109°C.
(a) Draw a labelled boiling point/composition diagram for the mixture of propan-1-ol and 2-methylpropan-1-ol.

(b) Use your diagram to explain how fractional distillation separates the mixture containing 0.75 mole fraction of 2-methylpropan-1-ol.

this gives us clue that propan-1-ol is more volatile as it has lower bpt….if 0.75 mole fraction of 2-methypropan-1-ol, then we hav to draw the first vertical line near pure 2-methylpropan-1-ol….and the horizontal line move towards the pure propan-1-ol….and so do the next vertical line….the only way to separate 2-methylpropan-1-ol is by getting the pure propan-1-ol as it is more volatile….is it true?

so what i understand here, the easier way to know which 1 is more volatile is by looking at the boiling point….the lower 1 is more volatile….

but sir, mole fraction is the mole of substance in the mixture…..the mixture u mention is the liquid, right? based on the diagram u’ve drawn, let say if we change the Q to ——-> the mixture containing 0.75 hexane….. so i’ve to draw the first vertical line near the pure octane and the horizontal 1 move towards the pure hexane?

alhamdulillah. thanks a lot sir. ur diagram really help me to have better understanding bout the enthalpy change (^_^)

so,i just need to do more exercise on this type of Q ,stick to the definition n also,draw the hess cycle,rite?
fuh, no need any formula like b4 which i don’t really understand.
thanks again sir

69 | nurul, March 19th, 2009 at 8:58 am
Sorry, but I didn’t have time to answer the other points you asked.

I corrected a v. minor error on the diagram (should have been 2 S’s)

Re: General formula. I can’t really say there is a fixed formula as it depends on the data given, and hence the cycle that gets constructed from that data. However, I will say you should always try thinking about summing (+) the enthalpy values for each individual arrow {once the cycle is worked out and you’ve identified the alternative route etc.}

Think about introducing negative’s ONLY as ways to swap the direction of an arrow. I.e. try not to get into the situation where you think things like “I should subtract that enthalpy value from this other enthalpy value…” and so on.

Stay in positive ‘addition method’ mode. If you do that, your mind should not get confused when -’ves occur (exothermic reactions and for ‘arrow direction changes’) It should lessen your mistakes and increase your ability to do these Q’s.

You are right. S(s) H2(g) and O2(g) are ELEMENTS in their standards states and are taken as having zero relative enthalpy ‘cos they are used as a standardised starting point by which other chemical deltaH values are measured. So only data from the elements to make H2O and H2SO4 were necessary in this case.

We can use the formula dH(rxn) = Sum of (dHf products) – SUM of (dHf reactants) here because we used formations in 2/3 parts of the cycle. The reactants were 2S(s)+ 2H2O + 3O2, the products were 2H2SO4. We must take into account the # of moles. Using the equation we get (2x-814)-(2x-286) giving us the -1056. Perhaps the slightly tricky bit is deciding which are the products and which is the reactants. Note this formula stated deltaH FORMATION. Students have used this formula in other cases where formation values are NOT given, and luckily they get the right answer, but it sometimes doesn’t work. Only use this formula for dH(f) values. Actually, doing a Hess cycle can usually cancel the need for confusing formula.

The Bonds broken – bonds formed formula is usually used when you have the bond enthalpy terms (or average bond enthalpy values). Those values are all positive ‘cos the ‘bond enthalpy term’ is the energy needed to break one mole of the bond mentioned. The formula is therefore constructed to give you the proper value at the end (+ or -). BEst not use this formula for anything other than when bond enthalpy terms are discussed.

If you want to see me personally to ask about these things feel free. Jims book is good for this. His website doesn’t really discuss it.

73 | intec studnt, March 19th, 2009 at 3:42 pm

“if 0.75 mole fraction of 2-methypropan-1-ol, then we have to draw the first vertical line near pure 2-methylpropan-1-ol {YIP, that’s right}….and the horizontal line move towards the pure propan-1-ol {YIP, right again}….and so do the next vertical line….the only way to separate 2-methylpropan-1-ol is by getting the pure propan-1-ol as it is more volatile….is it true?{kind of, you are allowed to say pure 2-methylpropan-1-ol is left behind!}

so what i understand here, the easier way to know which 1 is more volatile is by looking at the boiling point….the lower 1 is more volatile….{Yes, use te bpt given – or you may have deduce that info from the graph}

IF Q said “mixture containing 0.75 hexane” Then you would draw the first vertical line closer towards the hexane. The mixture is 75% hexane and so closer to being pure hexane!

thnk u sir, im clear about the solubility of g2 now. :) and, about the stable state thingy.
the simple xplanation had done the understanding job much easier.
*releived*

perhaps, i need to enhance my english. ?

Salam sir.
Yes, here i am, asking a simple chem question.

we can say a species is oxidised when it acquires O.
then it is reduced if it acquires H+

i hope i dont get that wrong..
the q here is,

can we say the spesies is oxidised when it loses H+ or reduced when it loses O?
means, i’m taking the opposite of oxidation as reduction and vice versa.

thx!

{note: this comment was originally in Planning Exercises but was moved here for reasons of ‘housekeeping’}. Tq

Salam, Sir. i want to ask regarding the recent a-level trial exam. practical paper, 6A, Question 2b.
the question, to 2cm3 of solution H in test tube, add 6 drops of universal indicator solution.
identify cation in H.
(in the previous question, the cation detected is Zn2+, Pb2+ and Al3+.)

the observation, using universal indicator, red solution is formed.
so it is acid.
i got confused, why the answer is only Al3+,
but not Al3+ and Pb2+…
as both oxides are amphoteric.

thanx sir!

Reply:
Two ways to look at it…

Pb2+, is amphoteric yes, but isn’t a strong enough acid to react with water, so doesn’t consume OH ions causing an excess of H+ ions, so the solution isn’t acidic.

The other way is what you should be more familiar with:

Al3+ cation exists as the hexaaqua ligand in aq. soln. The small and highly charged Al3+ ion attracts and withdraws e- density from the OH bond in the attached H2O ligand. the OH bond is therefore weakend to the exent that water (a weak base) is then able to deprotinate the hexaaqua complex.

the same happens for [Cr(H2O)6]3+ and [Fe(H2O)]3+ the metal ions there are also small and highly charged. The Pb+II and Zn2+ don’t have sufficient charge/size ratio (i.e. charge density) to enable that deprotonation in water.

salam sir, i have questions to ask u. this is Q from Unit 4 june 2005 q no. 4 b (iii, iv)

for q iii, it wants us to state whether the Kp increase or decrease. the ans is the Kp increase coz forward reaction is endothermic

n for q iv, it want us to state the position of equilibrium. the answers is the equilibrium shift to right coz the value of Kp goes up, the value of quotient must also goes up.

im fully understand bout how they get the answers, but im confius with the reasons for the answers.

i thougt it to be the other way round.

coz should we say that for q (iii),the Kp increase bcoz the quotients increase.

n for q (iv) the equilibrium shift to rigjht bcoz the forward reaction is endothermic.

but why is my answers is wrong sir? did i miss understanding any fact about this topic? really hope that u can help me. thanks sir

salam sir, whats is the differences between partially n slightly? is it true that we cant used partially ionised for the definition of weak acid?bcoz it will have different meaning,isnt it?

This question was moved from “Resources – Chem Videos from the web.” to here for househkeepig purposes.

From siti (April 11, 2009 at 4:48 am)

salam.sir.i’m a bit confused about the answer given.
Q: I : rate=k[S2O8]2
II : rate=k[H3AsO3]2
how could the experiment be adapted to distinguish between these 2 rate equations?

A: repeat experiment double,
but keeping the other concentration unchanged
if inital rate double,rate equation I is correct

hurm..

Salam siti. I’m confused too I’m afraid. I’ve tried assuming what the question was but I’ve not made any progress. I’m going to have to ask you to give me the full question.

The answer also looks a bit incomplete too. Is the beginning of the answer this: “repeat experiment, double the [ ] of one reactant, but keeping the other…”

But the main point of the answer is still strange to me ‘cos as all orders are two, then doubling conc should lead to a 4 times increase in rate.

I’ll wait for the Q. Could you please tell me where the Q came from also?

Thanks.

#80, nurul April 10, 2009 at 11:04 am
Sorry for the delay in replying.

This is a Q and mark scheme answer that students have difficult to get to grips with. So I’m gonna explain both answers and explain what’s happening.

(iii) State the effect of an increase in temperature on the value of the equilibrium constant, Kp. Justify your answer. (2 mks)

Ans: As T increases, the equilibrium constant Kp will increase because the reaction is endothermic.

Comment: Simply comment on whether the rxs in endo or exo. If endo then Kc (or Kp) will increase, if exo then Kc (or Kp) will decrease.

If you can’t remember this, then you can use Le Chatelier MENTALLY only – to get the answer!

Lets rewind a bit and talk about conc changes. When conc changes, we still have the old value for the eqm constant, but we are no longer at eqm so we say the “position of the eqm shifts”. It does so to get back to the old value of Kc or Kp.

example: Imagine a + b c

K= c / (a x b) Say the system has got to eqm. [ ] of a, b and c is constant at this point. Now if we increase [c], then at that very instant, c / (a x b) is greater than the old eqm value. So the position of the eqm shifts to the left to lower the numerical value of [c] and to increase the numerical concs of a and b. the value of K never changed. A similar thing happens for pressures for gaseous species. The partial pressure changes this time, not(!) the conc! i.e. don’t use [ ] when talking about partial pressure. Use round brackets instead: ( )

We have the same reaction again and it gets to eqm. This time the T changes. Lets say T it goes up. Now would now have a NEW equilibrium constant (the reasons why are beyond the scope of this blog. Just remember TEMP is the ONLY thing that changes the value of K). and the c / (a x b) expression does not have the same value as the new K. So once again the concs of reactants and products change when the position of tto get to the new equilibrium value. How they change is revealed by Le Chatelier thinking.

(iv) Hence suggest in which direction the position of equilibrium moves when the temperature is increased. Justify your answer. (2 mks)

The position of the equilibrium will shift to the right. The value of (p NO)2 and (p Cl2) will increase and p( NOCl)2 will decrease to attain the new higher value of K.

NOT THIS: The eqm shifts to the right so the value of Kc increases!, not least due to the fact we saw before that the position of eqm can shift left {in the example} while the value of K remained.

Summary:
category a) The eqm responds to new values in K
and NOT:
category b) K responds to eqm shifts.

When you asked
“should we say that for q (iii),the Kp increase bcoz the quotients increase.”
that dosn’t address the exo/endo info necessary to answer the question here and it mixes info from question (iv) which incidentally would come under category b) above and be wrong.

“n for q (iv) the equilibrium shift to rigjht bcoz the forward reaction is endothermic.” – the eno/exo bit is for answering q (iii)

Did this help?

#81, nurul April 10, 2009 at 3:37 pm | edit

Use of the word “partially” is dominant. But the words are pretty much the same. I guess the word “slightly” is avoided as it may be mor elikely to make people think that the compound at the end is delta+ or delta-

In an exam however, I don’t think you would be penalised if you said slightly, but best avoid it I’d say.

thanks sir.(^_^) its really help.
so,for definition of weak acid, better we used partially dissociate rather than slightly, right?

nway,can i ask u something.?for this 3weeks time before the a level, do u think doing all the past years from 2004-2009 would be better or do the revision for each topic again?(i had revised all topic before the trial)

its from past year june 2005,unit test 6b(synoptic) question no.1 (b)(ii).

#86, nurul April 12, 2009 at 1:51 am

Yes, use partially dissociate / partially dissociated for weak acids

#87, siti April 12, 2009 at 5:07 am

I’m using abbreviations here…

OK. [S] and [As] both fell by half, and from the graph, the rate fell by a factor of 4. The overall order therefore must be 2.
Possible orders to meet this requirment are:
[S]2 [As]0 (overall order = 2)
[S]1 [As]1 (overall order = 2)
[S]0 [As}2 (overall order = 2)

So how to tell which one it is? Do another experiment. Keep the [ ] of one reactant constant and half the other reactants [ ]. If rate didn’t change, then the order w.r.t. the reactant whose [ ] was halved must be zero and the other must be 2.
If rate dropped by a factor of two, then order w.r.t. the reactant whose [ ] dropped by half must be 1 and the other reactant must therefore also be 1.
If the rate fell by a factor of 4 when the [ ] of reactant was halved, then order w.r.t. that reactant must be 2 and the other must be zero.

Humm, It may be easier for you to not half the [ ] but double it. In which case rate would increase. Most student like to look at increases in conc rather than decreases.

This is one of those times where the fact that mark schemes are made for lecturers and not students, really shines through.

Here’s what the Examiners report said:

“Question 1
(a)(i) The vast majority of candidates scored both marks here.
(a)(ii) Again, it was common to award full marks here. Sometimes the tangent was drawn at the wrong place, and the values for x and y carelessly read.
(b)(i) It was very common to award the ‘slope’ mark here. Better candidates then had little difficulty in explaining that the reaction was second order. Weaker candidates often proposed a fourth order reaction, due to the 4:1 ratio.
(b)(ii) This part was marked consequentially on the candidates’ order given in (b)(i), and it was common to award both ‘rate equation’ marks. Sometimes the rate constant was capitalised, or missing, as was ‘rate’ or even ‘=’. Many candidates were able to explain how to adapt the experiment, but some failed to address the idea of distinguishing between their rate equations.”

assalamualaikum sir..
here i got 1 question for u..

For thermochemistry practical..
The examples of sources of error is when we use too much water and too little water..
What is the effect on enthalpy when we use too MUCH and too LITTLE water?
Is that because of the heat dispersed slowly in too MUCH water and inversely in too LITTLE water?
I dont get it,Sir..
Help me!!

This reply was weird – sorry about that – so I’ve written it in English this time… !

Too much water and the heat will will very ‘spread out’ (too highly dispersed), so the temperature rise throughout the solution will be smaller. Therefore, the % error from thermometer readings will have a greater significance upon the temperature range recorded.

If the volume of water was too small, the temperature of the water would be higher, so the rate of heat loss to the surroundings would increase (especially on stirring – note: this doesn’t mean don’t stir!) so the theoretical max temperature may not be achieved in practice. But of course, good insulation (expanded polystyrene cup with a lid with gentle stirring) can minimise this.

I should say, it is rare for the considerations above to be mentioned on any mark schemes.

Common enthalpy errors involve issues of :
1) Heat loss to the surroundings.
2) Accuracy of the thermomenter.
3) Assumptions heat capacity is 4.18 (units)
4) Assumptions about the mass of water present (e.g. if looking at dH(neut), the acid and alkali will make more water. The mass of the extra water produced is usually ignored).
5) Lid not used / solution not stirred.
6) Heat capacity of reactants (and prods) is ignored
7) Heat capacity of the termometer is ignored

The enthalpy Q you are likely to get in 3A or 6A, may contain info (e.g. diagram) which may give a clue about some error which I don’t list above.

Hope that helps.

thanks sir..
have a nice weekend

fas. I corrected the error in my reply above.

Sir..sory for late reply..ok..i understand it..
Sir, i have one more question here…
Actually how to answer the question about Kp and Kc?
I dont understand the mark scheme, especially if I try to compare the older mark scheme and recent years..
Sometime they accept the answer for shift in the equilibrium position..
But recently they dont!!
They rather ask us to answer about the denominator increase or numerator, so on… I dont know how to answer in terms of denominator, numerator or even the ratio..
Sir…help me ya..

salam sir. could u help me to distinguish between orbital n subshell? i always have problem with the plural n singular usage for these terms. thanks sir.

I’ll reply to both Q’s later tonight. I’m just about to leave for home.

#94 fas, April 24, 2009 at 7:51 am
(I got sleepy last night, so this whole comment is updated)

June 08 U4 Q3 Kp
Q3c) (c) (i) The effect on Kp by raising the temp (1 mark)
– ans: Kp inc.
(ii) use answer in (i) to explain T inc. on posn of eqm (2 marks)
– ans: quotient must increase as Kp goes up. Eqm shifts to RHS
Fraction/quotient MUST be mentioned

Jan 08 U4 Q3 (b) Kp simple Q

Jan 08 U6b Q4 (d) Section BTrivial Q

June 07 U4 Q4 (c) (iii) Kc
(d) (i) T is lowered. Explain effect on value of eqm const hence the yield. (4 marks)
– ans: Rxn is endo, Kc decreases, numerator in Kc must inc, yield inc.
Comment on either: numerator OR denominator OR fraction (overall) must be made to get the third mark

June 07 U6B Q1 Kc
Trivial Q

Jan 07 U4 Q2 Kp
(b) (i) State effect (if any) on Kp of increasing the Temp (Press = const) (1 mark)
– ans: Kp value decreases.
(ii) Use ans in (i) and the kp expresssion (as written in the paper) to explain the effect of the posn of eqm when inc T and keeping press const. (2 marks)
– ans: Quotient must decrease, eqm shifts to LHS
Quotient had to be mentioned to get a mark – (could have been more specific and focused on numerator or denominator also)

June 06 U4 Q6 Kc <<
(c) P in rxn chamber was Inc. With ref to changes in Kc, explain effect on the eqm posn (3 marks)
– ans: Kc unchanged. P^ increases the value of numerator more than denom(NOTE: more gaseous moles on ‘top’ in numerator, – pressure ‘squeezes’ the gases together whereupon prods react to go back to reactants again which occupy a lower volume hence causing the pressure to decrease somewhat), OR value of quotient has increased, eqm shifts to LHS.
Some discussion about the quotient must be referenced.

June 06 U6B Q4 section B, Kp
() (ii) State the effect (if any) on the value of Kp when T is increased.
Justify your answer. (2 marks) !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
– ans: Kp decreased reason given: rxn was exo.
Comment: Answer does not make reference to the quotient. This is because the ‘sequence’ of answering is as follows: 1) Kp (or Kc) up or down, 2) Reason why: rxn endo or exo respectivbely 3) The quotient (num & denom) adjust to get to the Kp value. In a 2 mark question there isn’t the ‘capacity’ to get to the third point. Beware: The effect on Kp may be a separate Q – the following reason may be worth two marks so then the endo/exo nature of the reaction and then the adjustment of the quotient would score the two marks.

Jan 06 U4 Q3 Kp
(c) Looking ar change in Kp (if any)happens to the equilibrium mixture as the T is increased (3 marks)
– ans: Rxn endo, Kp inc., eqm shif to rhs.
Examiners Report: In (c)(i), it was rare to see all three marks awarded as very few candidates firstly established the change in the value of Kp in order to then explain the shift in the position of equilibrium.
Comment: OK here no reference is made to the quotient, but that is because we are specifically told to address the eqm mixure. Actually, I don’t like this mark scheme as it doesn’t specifically state what happens to the mixture. For that point I’d have stated the eqm mixture becomes richer in products. I think examiners would have realised this (at least I hope so!) and marked accordingly.

June 05 U4 Q4 Kp
(b) (iii) Give the effect of an inc, in Temp on the value of Kp. Justify your answer. (2 marks)
– ans: rxn=exo, so Kp will inc. No mention of Quotient.
(iv) Hence suggest in which direction the position of equilibrium when temperature is increased. Justify your answer. (2 marks) << Aaaah! Quotient time
– ans: The quotient must increase and so eqm shifts to the right.

June 05 U6b Q3 simple Kc

Jan 05 U4 Q4 Kc
(a) (iii) simple Kc and T question (delta H was zero)

U6b Q 4 (a) (ii) simple Kp with pressure change only

Can you see better now? My advice if you have doubt as to when you are supposed to discuss the quotient, then always do so when you are asked about Kp or Kc when [ ], P or T changes. Not catalysits!

If at eqm and [ ] or P changes, the numerator and denominator values suddenly alter and the fraction(or quotient) no longer evaluates to the Kc or Kp present before the change was made. The eqm will shift and the numerator and denominator will change to once again give the same value.

If at eqm the T changes, A NEW value of the eqm constant is established. The quotient now not equal to the new Kp or Kc. The numerator and denominator shoft accordingly to get to the NEW value of Kp or Kc and the posn of the eqm shifts as a result. The way it shifts depends on whether it’s endo or exothermic.

Using quotient arguements shouldn’t be too hard. You know how to figure out which way the eqm shifts, so you look at the quotient: a/b if the overall value gets larger, the numerator (pressure or cond of products) must increase and the denom must decrease (pressure or conc of reactants)

Kp or Kc (Ka aswell actually but discussion of Ka with T is quite rare as Kp and Kc considerations are important industrial processes, in which ratr(T) and cost of high pressure eq(total P) is important)

Does that help?

thanks sir..
very helpful..

#95, N April 24, 2009 at 11:07 am

The A-level answer is:

An orbital is a region of space where there is a high probability of finding an electron. An orbital can hold only two electrons.
Plural of orbital is orbitals – but you won’t find the word in dictionaries. Also, don’t get confused with orbits – the circular path things!.

A subshell is an orbital of a certain principle energy value (n) of a certain orbital angular momentum value (l as in lemak). e.g. 2p(x) 2p(y) and 2p(z) They are all similar in that n=2 and l=1. I can’t imagine they will ask you to define subshell, although of course it is essential you understand what a subshell is. Plural of subshell is subshells.

Problem solved?

hmm, for example, the ligands split the 3d orbital or orbitals? as i understands b4 this, the orbital is the 1st, 2nd and 3rd…etc.. while the subshells are within the orbital, the spdf….1s2,2s2,2p6,3s2…..etc?
so, for example we can say that magnesium have 3orbitals, and for their 2nd orbital, they have 2subshells of 2s2,2p6. im i right or wrong? plz help me sir..n im sorry if my Q kind of confusing…
thanks sir

“the ligands split the 3d orbital”, is wrong. There is no “3d orbital“. The thing that gets split is the subshell.

“the ligands split the 3d orbitals”, is not very good wording as it could be interpreted as meaning one or more of the orbitals themselves (i.e. the volumes of space containing up to two electrons) can/are being be split.

Best wording is ‘ligands split the 3d subshell into two sets of orbitals, each set having a slightly different energy.

If you want more info: In an octahedral complex the higher energy set contains two orbitals, the lower energy set contains three. note: in a tetrahedral comples that situation is reversed

“the orbital is the 1st, 2nd and 3rd…etc” – This is incorrect. This is the energy or SHELL.

“the subshells are within the orbital” – This is incorrect too. The obitals are inside the subshell.

Magnesium has 3 (occupied) SHELLS
for the second SHELL, there are two SUBSHELLS
the two subshells are 2s and 2p.
or if you want to put the e- in, you can say 2s2 and 2p6

Maybe this helps?
The world = the atom.
The countries making up the world are the energy SHELL.
Malaysia is just one energy shell.
In Malaysia we have Selangor, Kuantan etc. The states are the subshell.
In the states, e.g. Selangor, we have things like MBSA, MBPJ, MBSepang etc. These MB’s are the orbitals.
In the MB’s we have people. People are the electrons.

Getting back to the actual atom:

1s is the first SHELL
2s and 2p subshells make up the second shell
3s 3p and 3d subshells make up the third shell
4s 4p 4d 4f subshells make up the fourth shell

each s subshell contains only one orbital
each p subshell contains three orbitals 2p(x) 2p(y) and 2p(z)
each d subshell contains five orbitals 3d(x2-y2) 3d(z2) 3d(xy) 3d(xz) 3d(yz)

Quantum numbers:

n=1,2,3,4,5,etc
l=0 up to and including (n-1)
ml= -l up o and including to +l
ms= each ml +/- 1/2

e.g. n=3
all values of n are 1,2 and 3, i.e. three values. This tells us there are 3 energy shells in this atom.
When n=1, l=0 the first energy shell isn’t split into any subshell.
When n=2, l can be 0 or 1; two values. This second shell is therefore split into 2 subshells.
When n=3, l can be 0.1 or 2; three values. The third energy shell therefore split into 3 subshells.

Any valid set of n and l values can have their corresponding ml value calcualted which reveals the number of orbitals in that subshell.

e.g. when n=3 and when l=2 (i.e. we are looking at the 3d subshell). ml for that l value can be -2, -1, 0, 1 and 2. 5 values. Therefore the 3d subshell is split made of 5 orbitals.

You might be wondering why I’m saying all this stuff. It’s to give you more exposure to the terms shell subshell and orbital so that your mind gets the feeling of how to use the terms propely.

If you now need a panadol, then you are free to ignore it.

Remember Venn diagrams? A subset is drawn as a small circle inside a bigger circle. The subset is a constituent part of the bigger set.

thanks so much sir…u help me a lot..now i understand better..

sir,
dissociation of water will gives pH 6.63, slightly lower than 7…
there’s Q asking about why it is slightly lower. According to the marking scheme its due to [OH] = [H]…I still dont understand if it is equal, then why it is slightly acidic?

For housekeeping reasons, this question/comment has been moved to
Past Years Papers etc Questions Here Please” see post comment 48.

#103, intec studnt April 26, 2009 at 5:39 am

I have the feeling the Q is likely to have said the water was pure, and it was about 50oC (greater than 25oC)

A solution is classified as:

acidic if [H+] > [OH-]
neutral if [H+] = [OH-]
and basic if [H+] < [OH-]

You will notice there is no mention the the -lg[H+] must be 7 for a neutral solution

Theoreticaly, in a particular solution:
The conc of H+ could be 0.1M therefore pH=1
and conc of OH- could also be 0.1
but it would be neutral because [H+] = [OH-] even though the pH was 1.

When you heat pure water a greater proportion of the H-OH bonds break, releasing equal quantities of H+ and OH- into the solution. so no matter what the [H+] is, there are the same number of OH-’s present so it’s neutral.

Our minds have become familar with talking about water and it’s autoionisation at 25oC where the Kw for water is approximated to 1×10^-14 and so neutral pH will be 7 at that point.

That’s what our minds reset themselves to when we start learning about pH.

OK with this now?

This Q was moved to “Past Years Papers etc Questions here please.” for reasons of housekeeping.

salam sir.
em. a question for you :)

i dun really get what’s the difference between continous distillation, fractional distillation.

some notes saying the difference is the vertical condenser,
then,if it is vertical condenser,will it be the same as heat under reflux apparatus? hurm..

and how about steam distillation?

.because some past year paper asked us to draw the appartus, n i’m….a bit confusing to draw it..huhu

er,sir.. neutral means ?

ph7?
concentration H+ equal to OH-?

is it accepted if we just answer ph7..?

owh.i got the view for the answer for my ‘neutral ques’ from your answer above… hee. :)

sir ,
how to sketch a titration curve?
how do we know where is the vertical section?
within what range?
and the level off line as well?

sir,
why first ionisation energy for Cl > Na ?
because nuclear charge?

how to compare it? as Cl is -ve charge while Na is +ve charge..huhu

#107, siti April 29, 2009 at 2:13 pm

Continuous distillation does have the condenser in an angled position (approx 120 degrees to the vertical) and fractional distillation uses a vertical column.

In fractional distillation the vapours evolved undergo continuous re-boiling. With continuous distillation, there is no condense and re-boil phase.

Fractional distillation is not the same as refluxing because with refluxing, none of the chemical components is given off, unlike fractional distillation in which a component is removed

Steam distillation isn’t on the syllabus is it? Wow. It must be about 14 years since I’ve done a steam distillation. I can’t imagine them asking you to draw fractional distillation apparatus (but as f.d. is on the syllabus I guess there’s the possibility that they might)

#110, lucky guy April 29, 2009 at 2:59 pm

1) What’s in the conical flask? Acid or base? This will tell you what region (to start your curve in)

2) What type of acids or bases are being used – strong or weak?
The answer to that gives you what general shape to draw in the relevant region.

- strong components (HCl, H2SO4, H3PO4, HNO3) have a vertical section that should be drawn at least 4 pH units tall.
- weak components have NO vertical in their relevant ‘acidic’ or ‘basic’ regions.

3) Calculate and plot the exact initial pH (if data is available)

4) Calculate and plot what volume of reactant in the burette is needed to get to the end point and use that volume (x-axis) as the place where the vertical section occurs. You may need data to calculate this.

5) Calculate and plot the end pH if possible.

Label axes if necessary.

The start pH, vertical section(likely) and end pH will give enough info for you to join everything up. LOOK at a number of titration curves to see their shape.

Go here: http://www.chemguide.co.uk/physical/acidbaseeqia/phcurves.html

It’s unlikely they will give you the weak-weak (acid-base) version as usually they want you to use the graph to select a suitable indicator.

Be prepard for if they give you a dibasic acid. e.g H2SO4, H2CO3 or worse case = tribasic acid like phosphoric acid. It’s unlikely you will have to accurately plot a dibasic and tribasic acid however.

#111, s April 29, 2009 at 3:08 pm

For gaseous atoms, IE of Cl is > than Na.

Rule is: going to the RHS of a period, the IE generally increases. Same number of inner shells, therefore same shielding and increasing number of protons attracting the outer electrons more strongly therefore energy needed to remove outer (valence e-) is higher: IE is more endothermic.

Exception 1: when a new SUBSHELL is being filled. The previous subshell of he same ENERG SHELL is at a lower energy so closer to the nucleus than the new subshell to be filled, so the lower energy subshell gives a weak shielding effect.

Exception 2: When the first spin pairing occurs in a p subshell. The repulsion of these electrons causes a lowering of the energy needed to remove them.

I doubt they’ll ask about a comparison of IE featuring Cl- and Na+ these species are IONS, but if they they did, it would be harder to remove an electron from a positively charges species. Na+ would have a higher (more endothermic) IE.

thanks for the explanation sir!! I still wonder how do we know that at which volume we should draw the vertical section… let say we use 20cm3 of weak acid in conical flask and it is titrated with NaOH… why we need to draw vertical section at 40cm3?? and why some questions only draw at 20cm3??

#116, lucky guy May 2, 2009 at 12:25 am

You may have to calculate the volume at which neutralisation will occur. In the example you gave, you haven’t provided enough data to know the vertical section is at 40 cm3.

so here’s my example:

You are told 25cm3 of 0.15M HCl is titrated against 0,11M NaOH and you need to sketch the pH curve. Where do you draw the vertical section?

Moles of HCl in conical flask = conc x vol (in L) = 0.15 x 25/1000
Moles of NaOH needed to be added from burette = 0.15 x 25/1000 (as balanced chemical eqn. is 1:1)

Conc of NaOH = 0.11M. As volume = moles / conc
therefore 0.034 Litres needed = 34 cm3 of NaOH.

Sometimes you are told how much volume was needed to reach equivalance so it is easier, but to stop it being too easy they may put a ‘twist’ in it. e.g. they may use an old favouraite: ethandioic acid{old name oxalic acid} (a dibasic acid HOOC-COOH) and NaOH. In which case two moles of NaOH are needed to neutralise one mole of ethandoic acid. Bear that x2 factor in mind when doing your calculations.

P.S. Lucky guy… I’ve just thought of another ‘cruel twist’ in respect of this ‘where to draw the vertical portion’ question. They could give you the pKa of the weak acid as used in the titration, and from this, you might be expected to calculate the equivalence point. Do you know how to do this?

sir…
1 Q here..
After read many kind of books..
I found that melting point of graphite is greater than diamond..
At first I thought that it will be diamond bcoz it has strong covalent bonds through out its structure..
But it is another way around..
Why graphite has greater MP??
Is it bcoz of the delocalised electrons? Like benzene that makes it more stable??
Help me ya sir!!

Graphite is reported to have a higher mpt – like you, I’ll have to trust the books on this one ;) . In doing so, I will deliberately fix my answer around that information. Naughty I know, but I have no choice.

Graphite and diamond are both giant covalent structures, so when discussing melting, we need to discuss weakening of the bonds in those giant covalent structures, between carbon atoms so that they can ‘flow’ over each other.

As graphite has the higher mpt, this means, the total energy of the 3 sigma bonds and the weak london dispersion force (in graphite) must be stronger than the 4 covalent bonds in diamond.

In graphite, the l.d.f. between layers is quite extensive(largely spread) but we know this bond is weak as graphite used in pencil, can easily made to slip over one another onto paper. So we can push this aspect of the structure to the back of our mind (i.e. don’t focus on these particular bonds/forces as you have done)

It suggests the three covalent bonds in graphite are significantly stronger than the covalent bonds in diamond. Why is this? I could offer a few suggestions but they would just be educated guesses and perhaps not that helpful in this case.

Predicted answer sufficient to answer A-level exam Q’s
(It’ll be a U1 question most likely)

“Graphite has a higher mpt than diamond as the total energy needed to weaken the foeces of attraction between C atoms to the point where they can flow over one another is greater for graphite than it is for diamond.”

P.S. people confuse hardness with melting point. It is invalid to do so in this case.

RE:#116, lucky guy May 2, 2009 at 12:25 am
Does it mean we need to draw vertical section at 34cm3??
Not really… Would you mind to explain it to me?? thanks lot!!

haha…the answer so simple..glad to hear that..thanks sir!!

#119, lucky guy May 3, 2009 at 1:57 am

Yes, the vertical section would be at 34 cm3 IF ‘volume of base added’ was on the x-axis. {Note: They might be really horrible, break with sanity and write: ‘total volume of liquid in conical flask’ on the x-axis instread, so you know, check properly what info is presented to you and what is asked of you in the question.!}

But here, vertical section was at 34 cm3, as that is where the number of moles of base (OH- in the example given) and H+ from the acid are equal. That was the purpose of doing the calculation.

What is a vertical section? It’s where the pH changes enormously for just a tiny addition, [1 drop, (or 1/2 a drop if you can manage it!)] of reagent from the burette. This can only happen very close to the end point (i.e. equivalence point) because there is only a small [H+] in the conical flask…

At the end point, one drop from the burette can produce a typical vertical section o about 4 pH units long. As pH is a log(to the base 10) scale, a pH change of 4, corresponds to a change in [H+] of 10,000 times – all that from just one drop of reagent in the burette!!!

Wow!

If there was a large conc. of H+ in the conical flask, i.e. quite far from the end point, then the change [H+] by adding just one drop would not make a significant difference to the pH so no vertical section.

(of course you could have base in the burettel if so we would need to shuffle the explanation around a bit but the same principles are present.)

If you haven’t already do so Lucky guy, do as many PYP Q’s as you can and you’ll get the necessary exposure to doing these graphs well.

Try looking for some pH graph Q’s from the links I provide.

Hope this helps.

Thanks sir…
other question…
what is the function of cryolite ??
to lower the melting point or act as solvent?

It acts as a solvent. The mpt of Al2O3 cant vary, it’s a property of the compound. To get mobile ions of pure Al2O3 you must melt it.

But, you can get mobile ions of Al3+ and O2- by dissolving Al2O3 it in a substance/solvent which itself has a lower mpt than Al2O3. Cryolite serves this purpose.

Saying it lowers the mpt of Al2O3 is a common error.

thank you so much for the explanation!!!

assalamualaikum sir.
could u give me the important key point for question that ask how a mixture can act as a buffer? coz i do not know how to put in words my answer when came across with this type of Q. maybe coz i dont fully understand this Q? really hope u can help me. thanks sir

The mark schemes specific to this question are usually good. One went something like this:.

On addition of a small amount of acid, the large reservoir of anion from the salt used in the buffer, will react with the added H+, removing the added, excess H+, from the solution ensuring the pH of the solution does not fall (become more acidic)

A- + (added)H+ –> HA

On addition of small amounts of base, the large reservoir of weak acid used in the buffer, will release a proton to react with the added base preventing presence of excess hydroxide ions hence preventing an increase in the pH (become more basic)

HA + (Added)OH- –> A- + H2O

Mention these things at least :
Large reservoirs.
Prevention of excess H+ / OH-
Give equations

As ever make sure your answer corresponds to any particular requirements in the actual Q.

Sir,
In colour compounds in transition metal right, what is actually meant by ” it absorbs light in visible region”?

You can get lots of ‘types’ of light.

Cosmic rays
Gamma rays
X-rays
UV rays
Infra-red rays
Microwaves
Radio waves

All of which cannot be seen.

In between UV and IR, we get light which we can see, so it’s called visible light.

Each ‘type’ of light has its own range of energy. X-rays are high energy, Radio waves are low energy. Visible light is pretty low energy too [Good or else when we turned on a light bulb it would 'hurt' us!]

When you shine white light (visible light – we can see the white colour!) which is a mixture of all visible colours, being: Red, Orange ,Yellow, Blue, Indigo and Violet, then only SOME of those colours are absorbed.

Why?

The energy of SOME of the colours corresponded to the energy gap between the split d-subshell. So it may be possible for an e- in a split d-subshell to absorb that specific frequency of light (called quanta).

Note the e- needs a vacancy in the upper set of orbitals from the split 3d for this promotion to happen.

If say, a RED colour was absorbed, your eyes will see the remaining UNABSORBED colours (at a guess it might look green), all in the visible part of the electromagnetic spectrum

mr allen can u post the practical hint sheet for june 2009 3A and 6A practical? thanks

salam sir..regarding on your #116 post..u gave a Q on ur PS..n i believe u havent answered that one yet..(or did i miss a post?)
but umm..i thought of giving it a shot but got stuck in the middle..
we can find the ka of the acid first by 10^(-pka). as its a weak acid, ka=[H+] at the half of the equivalent point since [A-]=[HA] at this point..rite?n then…???yep got stuck here. . .

Sir,
can you give us some advice on the coming practical papers?

#129, “A” May 7, 2009 at 1:22 am

I don’t actually have the ‘hints/advice’ as I’m not involved with the running of the final exams this time around.

I’ve just asked for a copy. If I get it i’ll post it here ASAP.

okay..thanks =)

#130, lolipop May 7, 2009 at 3:09 am

I didn’t answer the “P.S. in #116 ‘cos it was a Q for ‘lucky guy’. But the answer was really just to do the reverse procedure.

the pKa will = the pH at half neutralisation. Now they would have to give you some more info at this stage for you to calculate the volume of acid that had been consumed at that pH. Then you would have to double this volume to get the end point.

I don’t have an actual example to give you as I was asking a general Q, and not a specific Q for ‘lucky’ guy’ to do, so don’t worry if you got ‘stuck’ in actually trying to do it. What I am saying really is, “be able to think about the reverse procedure too.”

‘Twists’ in questions are sometimes just getting students to work in the opposite way. they may do this ‘cos it requires the same knowledge requirement (i.e. same syllabus!)but simply a different approach to answer the Q.

The early syllabus naturally works in the traditional direction but eventually, to make the Q’s appear ‘new’, they may give the students the answer and then ask them to work in the reverse direction.

I must say, what can be loosely described as “working in ‘reverse” appearing on exam papers is NOT likely to be the way most of the paper is constructed. Hopefully you will have come accross these things in you revision of past years papers.

Sir, for our upcoming 3A and 6A practical exams , we can bring anything we want into the exam halls? all the books.the past year question with answer, everything except planning excercise?

#131, lucky guy May 7, 2009 at 3:17 am

Were you refering to anything in particular?

Naturally I can’t say anything specific about the pracs, not only because at this stage I know absolutely nothing about them, but also becasue it would be unethical. All I can do really, is repeat the same info that I gave January’s students.

http://intechemistry.wordpress.com/2009/01/02/unit-3a-and-6a-practical-exam-notice/

If you’ve got a particular query then ask away.

#135, desperate guy May 7, 2009 at 4:18 am

YIP.

You can bring in any ‘written material, apart from anything to do with planning exercises – either hand written or as part of your past practicals.

If you’re not sure, don’t bring it into the exam room.

The chance of you needing anything other than data relating to ‘tests/analysis’ is very small. Edexcel want to test your practical skills, not your ‘luck’ at having brought a certain book into the room. Students often lose sight of the face it’s a practical assessment There should be nothing that essentially you haven’t done before.

They simply want to test the lab skills you’ve learned over the last two years and whether you can make a scientifically valid experiment as well as to check you understand what problems (e.g. sources of errors in enthalpy expts and how to minimise them) may occur in an expt.

Most stu’s do very well in practicals. I’m sure you will do too :)

ic…Thanks Sir, btw ..sir do you have a copy of jan 2009 practical question and ms? if you have could you give me?

sorry sir, if my question led you misunderstood!! The “advice” i meant is the general thing we should or shouldn’t do during the practical…
Eg: can we leave earlier if we finish earlier? or what we should do if in the half way of titration we just found out the burrette leaks?

yea desperate guy!! I was really desperate to find the question papers for the practical for Jan 2009…Anybody got it?

sir, can you give more details regarding to the significant figures and decimal places?

#138, desperate guy May 7, 2009 at 4:41 am

I HAD a copy of Jan 09 U3a and U6a, but I’m pretty sure ONE of them (3a or 6a – I can’t remember) went missing.

I’m in the main campus at the moment, so perhaps I give it to you tomorrow?
I don’t have mark schemes for ANY Jan 09. Sorry. I’m sure they are on the net somewhere. If you did find papers and mark schemes, I woudln’t mind if you posted the info here.

It’s a paper copy, not an e-copy.

alright..when are u free tmrw sir? and where can i meet you? where’s ur office etc?…

#143, desperate guy, May 7, 2009 at 8:22 am | edit

I may be free at about 10:45. Sms me at that time, and I’ll let you know more clearly when I can meet you.

If you don’t know my HP, you will need to ask your fellow students. I’m not giving it out over the internet.

You will have to return it to me after a few minutes!

#139-141, lucky guy, May 7, 2009 at 5:36 am

Your Q was vague, so I thought I should cover more than one possibility in my answer. But no worries.

You asked: “can we leave earlier if we finish earlier? or what we should do if in the half way of titration we just found out the burrette leaks?”

Reply: Good, some specifics. If you are in the early session, you cannot leave early as there will be no lecturer/invigilator to take you to quarantine. If you’re a ‘last session’ student then I think you can leave early but I’ll have to check it out.

If titration is 50% done and you realise there is a problem with the burette, you will have to decide yourself whether it is worthwhile continuing (is the leak so small? is it the first approx titration? etc), or perhaps you should start again with a better burette – I’d recommend you start again using the spare burette from the extra apparatus. The burettes are new as far as I know show expect it to be unlikely that there’s a leak problem.

I’m trying to get both papers for Jan09 and mk.sch. Can’t promise anything however. Would have been better to ask earlier.

As for sig. fig. can you be more specific? I don’t have enough time to write so much on the subject. You’re lecturer is almost certain to have addressed this issue in class. What do you need to know about s.f.?

s.f for concentration of a solution? We must put three s.f ??

If no data is given, then usually 3 s.f. is standard.
e.g. 0.100 M, or 5.43 M or 0.000312 M (usually written as 3.12×10-4 M.

If data is given, e.g. you are told that a 25.5 cm3 of a 2.0 M solution present…, then your answer should have the same number of s.f. as the data that was used in your question. If you used the vol and the molarity (or just the molartiry by itself), then the answer should be to two s.f.
If you only used the volume data, the answer should be to three s.f.

Page 51 of the full syllabus says:
Significant figures: Students should always quote their final answer to an accuracy consistent with the accuracy of the figures given in the question.

Sometimes Q will tell you how many s.f. to write. In those cases you MUST follow those instructions.

o…thanks sir!!

salam sir..
hw do we describe bout the trend of increasing in mpt across the period 3?is it bcoz of increasing the metallic character ?especially when we compare btwn sodium and aluminium..
help me sir..thnx!

Na Mg and Al are metals so you talk about the increasing metallic bond strength between them. Then Si which is (pretty much) unique in period 3 as being the only element to there to have a giant covalent structure. Lots of strong bonds per atom, stronger than the non directional metallic bonds. mpt jumps.
Then P4, S8 and Cl2. Each classified as ‘simple molecular’ forces between molecules are weak and easily overcome compared to previous 4 stronger bonds. No of e- in the molecule basically determines the mpt here (note I’m not mentioning red P).
Cl2 << P4 < S8. Ar is simple atomic weak temporary dispersion forces here so lowest mpt of all.

That forms the basis of these kind of Q’s

Sir, does all SN1 reaction will produce planar intermediate?

All for the purposes of A-level, Yes.

It’s been a while since I’ve looked into the finer details of mechanistic profiles, so whether it’s ‘universal’ I’m not too sure but it would be my default position to think it was the case.

o…ok…thanks!!!!

salam, i wanna ask about the test for halogen atoms in halogenoalkanes, besides the aqueous silver nitrate that we added, what other reagents should we use? i know that most of us is familiar with the steps
1. warm the halogenoalkane with the NaOH
2.acidify with HNO3
3. add silver nitrate solution..

but, some mark scheme from pastpapers use ethanol as the solvent, add silver nitrate solution without the use of NaOH and HNO3. they also stated that the students won’t get full mark if we use the former steps…help me, i’m so confuse……

Halogenoalkanes are poorly soluble in water, but they are soluble in ethanol. NaOH(aq) is also soluble in ethanol. Using aqueous NaOH in ethanol therefore allows for a larger degree of OH-(aq) ions to interact with halogenoalkane molecules.

If NaOH(aq) an aqueous solution of NaOH alone was added to the halogenoalkane, then they could only interact at the interface (where the two immiscible layers meet) and so reaction rate would be slow. It would still happen, but adding ethanol is better.

Why does the m.s. disallow non-ethanol solutions?? I’m not sure. Do you have any reference that I can look up?

Usually 1) Add small amount of NaOH(aq) 2) Acidify with HNO3(aq) 3) Add AgNO3(aq) is what I tell students. Doing as you say: a) halogenoalkane then ethanol then AgNO3 seems unusual.

Please can you give a reference.

When only ethanol is used, this suggests/points towards an elimination reaction (producing HX and an alkene) but it still requires a conc. base, but you’re pure ethanol reaction doesn’t involve hydroxide.

Humm… Reference here is very much needed. Tq.

ohh.ok… many past year questions use the ethanol and silver nitrate and not NaOH… like in JUNE 2006 U3B question nmber 6 and JAN 05 U3A question nmber 4, they use hydrolysis process without the use of any base….

#156, “sylar” May 9, 2009 at 1:04 am

June 06 U3b Q6 sees ethanol being used to dissolve the halogenoalkane. It’s the water in the AgNO3 solution that acts as a nucleophile. Usually we use OH- from NaOH as the nucleophile, ‘cos it’s a better nucleophile.

Mentioning NaOH in part (c) is penalised because you were told to use the experiment in (a) which never mentioned NaOH(aq). so it’s not that NaOH(aq) is a wrong reagent to use in identifying halogenoalkanes.

If you had a “fresh” question, then it would be perfectly valid to use NaOH, and in fact it’s better.

It’s questions like this that causes students to lose marks. They wrote ‘in bold type’ the bit about using expt (a) to stress ‘don’t do anything new’, trying to steer you away from making that mistake. Jan 05 U3A Q4 uses ethanol and aq NaNO3 also simply because it means the students don’t have to go about doing 3 extra things. 1) Add NaOH(aq) 2) acidify with HNO3 after warming. 3) checking to make sure the solution is acidic before addn of AgNO3.

So the ethanol + aqueous AgNO3 is simply a short cut in terms of giving directions in an experiment, as either a Q for the stu’s to read or an A for the stu’s to write.

Good Question. Thanks for bringing it up.

thanx…the explainations really made my day…

sir for the halogen displacement test, the upper element will displace the lower one right? Is it possible for them to ask us to use fluorine compounds? why somebody said the Cl is more reactive than F?

i meant Cl is stronger than F?

The upper element (e.g. Cl2) will displace the lower halogen anion e.g. Br-.
F2 will displace Cl-

Br2 will displace I-

etc.

I guess you’re asking in U3A in mind. I don’t know if this answer is too late.
respect

yea … Not too late for me as i am in the second group.

sir, does2,4-DNP only give positve result to carbonyl group? will it give positive result to functional group such as carboxylic acid?

2,4-dnp will not give a positive test result with carboxylic acids.
For A-level, if a orange solution of 2,4-dnp gives a yellow/orange ppte, then you had a carbonyl present.

The OH group and the =O on the same C, affect each others properties so much so that it becomes a new functional group with specific characteristics.

They are acids (alcohols are so poorly acidic that at A-level we almost never refer to the, being acidic). They tend to undergo nucleophilic substitution (e.g. esterification) rather than nucleophilic addition as carbonyls do.

salam..sir, can ester be hydrolised by any reducing reagent?? e.g. LiAlH4…..I thought the reaction involving esters is just hydrolysis…

#165 sylar
I’ve updated this as I was half asleep last night when I write it.

NaBH4 is too weak a reducing agent to reduce the ester. LiAlH4 is strong enough.

Esters will react with LiAlH4 in a reduction reaction – it is not classisified as a hydrolysis, even though the last step (adding aqueous acid) is a hydrolysis of the “intermediate” alkoxide salt formed You will get these following products: From the original ‘carboxyilc part’ of the ester, you will get a primary alcohol. From the original ‘alcohol part’ in the ester, it will reforms the initial alcohol.

e.g. ethyl propanoate is added to LiAlH4 in dry ether. It will produce alkoxides of alcohols (alkoxide = RO- where R is an alkyl group,{similar to the product of ethanol with sodium}). When complete, (we know it’s compelte as no more heat change occurs) then we slowly add water. This is the hydrolysis step, but the reduction part wins in terms of ‘classifying the reaction. Propan-1-ol and ethanol are formed.

(Normal) Hydrolysis of ester is different. We get the carboxylate anion if alkaline hydrolysis is used. If we used acid conditions, we would get the actual carboxylic acid itself. The oxidation number of the C in the ester gp (the one carrying the =O and -O) does NOT change.

There are quite a few reactions involving esters, but not many are mentioned in the A-level syllabus. They are a ‘bit’ like amines and amides – resembling ‘end of the road’ functional groups. {Note this is only in the A-level sence} Reactions of esters would start to be somewhat ‘specilist’ knowledge and getting too deep into organic. I’d like that, but A-level is quite general.

A similar case exists for a compound of Lead (still cant remembe the specific compoind. PbCl2 I thin). It may look like an acid/base reaction or, w.r.t. the lead compound, a redox reaction. It is not classified as an acid/base reaction but as a Redox reaction instead. (see your notes).

sir, what is the function of ammoniacal silver nitrate?

It has two main uses in A-level.

One is as a mild oxidising agent
Reduction potential, E(std), = +0.80V
which can oxidise alheydes.
(I think it may also may oxidise ethanol but I can’t remember the oxidation potential for ethanol).

Secondly, it could be used as a reagent to distinguish solutions containing Cl- and Br- if there wasn’t excess NH3 present.
[Ag(NH3)2]+ + Cl- (aq) –> no ppte produced
[Ag(NH3)2]+ + Br- (aq) –> cream ppte forms,
but in this form, it’s not how Ag+ is usually employed to test for halide ions or halogenoalkens, but Edexcel do sometimes ‘twist’ things around in ways similar to this

The amine ligands can ‘protect’ the Ag+ from reacting with OH- when basic conditions are needed, a bit like the tartrate ligands in Fehlings reagent which protect Cu2+ from OH- ions.

The nitrate in silver nitrate is just to ensure you get aqueous Ag+ ions because all nitrates are soluble. If you took silver carbonate and tried to dissolve it to get aq. Ag+ it wouldn’t work.

what did you come across that made you ask this question?

it is from chemistry unit 5 pass year( summer 2002) question 6d. I don’t really understand the answer given.

sir how an order of reaction can suggests about the mechanism of the reaction? let take the first order of N2O5..

Sorry, rushing right now. will try & reply in a couple of hours.

June 2002 U5 Q6d is using ammoniacal silver nitrate as an oxidising agent (really, it’s the reagent behind Tollens silver mirror test). The reactivity with 2,4-DNP tells you B is a carbonyl and the lack fo reactivity with [Ag(NH3)2]+ tells you B is a ketone. Ketones (for the scope of A-level) cannot be oxidised.

In answer to comment 170:
The order of reaction, with respect to each individual reactant, tells you how many molecules (yes, molecules, not moles! as mechanisms involve molecular considerations) of it were used “up to and including the rate determining step” (rds). The rds being the slowest step of the reaction.

The overall order is the total number of molecules of all reactants up to and including the rds.

So if order w.r.t. N2O5 was one. then a plausible mechanism could be something like
N2O5 –> 2NO2 + 1/2 O2 (slow)

then how do we know the least number of step involved?

other question:
how to distinguish between primary and secondary alcohol? is it the way we differentiate aldehyde and ketone?

A mechanism can have any number of steps involved, but from the point of view of probability, the fewer the steps a mechanism has, the more likely it is to happen. So when we propose a mechanism, we try and do it in as few steps as possible.

(note: the proposal may be wrong and needs evidence to support it before we can be confident it may be ‘true’)

When it comes to porposing mechanism, we can do experiments which can be used to construct a rate equation, and this rate equation tells us about the SLOWEST step of a reaction. It reveals the maximum number of reactant molecules used up to and including the slow step.

So when proposing mechanisms, we try to keep the number of proposd steps to a minimum (and hypothesise bimolecular processes – again for reasons of greater likelhood). The minimum number of steps will the the overall order order divided by two {divide by 2 because at best, two reactant molecules will be used in each step}

So if rate = k [A]^p [B]^q [C]^r
and p+q+r (the ‘overall order’) = 6 then we could propose a mechanism that would have 6/2 steps, i.e. 3 steps, before the rds step will occur.

So it’s based on the overall order.

OTHER Q:
You can use the Lucas reagent (ZnCl2 in conc HCl) to DIRECTLY distunguish between 1o, 2o and 3o alcohols. 3o alcohols produce a ‘cloudy’ looking solution instantly, 2o alcohols give a cloudy looking solution after about a minute or so, 1o alcohols do not give a cloudy solution. But the Lucas test isn’t in the syllabus which is prob. why might not have heard of it, and alcohols with >6 C atoms don’t really dissolve in c.HCl so the test is limited to short chain alcohols.

Within the syllabus there are a few things you could do to distinguish 1o from 2o alcools. You could use a solution of potassium chromate acidified with dil.H2SO4 (to produce ‘acidified orange dischromate’ solution) and continuopusly distill (so that the carbox acid won’t be formed in the case of the 1o alcogol) then test the distillate with Tollens reagent (alkaline ‘diammine silver (I)’ solution). A silver mirror would indicate the initial alcohol was the 1o alcohol. No mirror indicates the initial substance was the 2o alcohol.

Note: distinguishing between 1o and 2o alcohols is not the same as identifying a 1o or a 2o alcohols from a completely unknown substance. You would have to do more tests in such a case.

‘why the first ionisation energy of aluminium is less than magnesium’ The answer said in al,the outer electron is in the 3p orbital whereas in mg it is in the 3s orbital so outer electron is in a higher energy level. Is it correct the word ‘orbital’? I thought the outer electron removed is in 3p subshell.. help me sir. Thanks..

Before I talk about orbital and subshell, your answer might be wrong as Aluminium has a less endothermic value of IE than Magnesium.

1st IE data:
Mg = +738 kJ/mol
Al = +578 kJ/mol
So = +789 kJ/mol

p.s. I seriously advise you to be able to sketch the relative IE’s without data for the 1st 20 elements.

So that answer is not good (or maybe I understood it wrongly, in which case, it may be not good ‘cos it’s not so clear)

On average, (3p can accommodatite 6e-, while 3s can accommodate only two) the 3p subshell is of a higher energy than 3s. But when you look at the specific electron which is being removed in these cases, the 3s e- in Mg is of a lower energy than the 3p e- in Al. That is why it takes more energy to remove the e- from 3s than 3p IN THIS CASE.

The answer I would give is:

Compared to Mg, Al’s outer electron is shielded by the inner 3s subshell. This does not happen in the case for Mg. The increased shielding (which lowers the IE value) in Al is greater than the increased attraction from the extra proton in the Al nucleus which would increase IE.

This only happens for the 2p1 and 3p1 electrons. After that, the shielding the inner subshell is no longer effective, something you can see from Si which has a greater IE than Mg.

Getting back to subshell/orbital, in this case either word is OK because we are only removing one e- from each atom (Mg and Al) each e- must be in an orbital, so, from what you have said in your question you could use either word.
If we were removing say three e- from the atoms, or comparing different elements then maybe – depending on the question, we may have to talk more about subshells.

Does that help?

Actually, this site: http://www.creative-chemistry.org.uk/alevel/module1/trends6.htm
gives a similar answer to what you gave, but it’s still a bad answer as you can’t apply that very same arguement if you wanted to compare Mg with Si (or the remainder of the Per3 elements)

sir in the exam the paper stated “do not use pencil” … can we use pencil actually for drawing?

Damian Riddle{Damian is representing Edexcel}
20/04/2009 01.44 PM
Dear Sir,

Students have a limited time to complete the paper and are strongly recommended to answer only two questions in Section B. If they attempt all three, they are likely to spend too little time on each one and will produce three average answers, rather than two good ones. However, we would mark all three and credit the best two.

Students should use pencil only for graphs and diagrams. Mechanisms can be done in pen.

Damian Riddle

Thanx sir!

how to distinguish between primary and secondary alcohol?

I addressed this point further up. See #174, intechemistry,
May 24, 2009 at 7:16 am (sorry for the typos)

Or click here

sir what is the function of NaOH in reduction of C6H5NO2 to phenylamine? what is the reaction taking place?

Sorry for the late reply, I’ve been terrifying myself watching some thriller and horror movies tonight.

As for your Q: I can’t remember it’s exact function to be honest! (I can’t recall the exact mechanism)

I have a very strong feeling however that it’s to ensure the aromatic amine is produced and NOT the salt (-NH3+Cl-).
I think this because one way of doing it is with Fe and HCl. After that reaction, the OH- is added in a ‘step 2′ fashion. In fact I’d be really really surprised if that educated ‘guess’ was wrong.

it was one of the unit 5 questions and i screwed up that question

Hummm. I think this U4 and U5 will become legendary as ‘nightmare papers’.

Everyone seems ‘in the same boat’ however, so it won’t be as bad as it may seem.

haha.. hope so.. thanks anyway!!

No prob :)

sir what is quenching? is it same with titrating? how is it be done?

Quenching is to stop a reaction (or slow it down so much that in effect we can assume the reaction has essentailly stopped)

It is done by withdrawing a known volume of qolution, using a pipette, fromt the reaction mixture, then draining the liquid into an accurately volume of ICE cold water. This is a technique used in kinetics measurements. Your stopwatch should be running from the time the reactants were added together and when you state to drain the reaction mixture into the water you STOP the stopwatch. (note there will be a small error here as reaction proceeds in the pipette as it drains out just before it is quenched. Perhaps stopping the stopwatch when the pipette is half drained will give a better time measurement)

1) By putting the reation mixture in a COLD solvent – usually ICE cold water, the rate of rxn will fall as Temp will fall.
2) By diluting reacting mixture conc of reactants will fall therefore reaction rate will fall again.
** the two factors above combined, the rate should be low enough to assume the rxn has stopped **

Sometimes (but v. rarely at A-level) you use a non water based ice cold solvent – if say the water was to react with one of the reactants or products that you were trying to measure.

Quenching is done before titration, and the titrations are done using standard solutions (solutions whose concn is accurately known)

4 d case of MgSO4 n BaSO4, d decrease in hydration enthalpy {less exo} > decrease in LE {also becomes less exo} so is it becmg less soluble? Why?
Im gttg cnfused. sorry.

Dowing down gp II, sulphate solubility decreases.
solubility = balance between dH(hyd) and dH(LE)

dH(solution)=dH(hyd)-dH(LE)

Lets use some numbers (taken from G. Facer p45) and from various places on the net. If you work through the Q’s below you will hopefully see the answer to your enquiry. If not, read the explanations that follow (again taken from the new). If that doesn’t help, then tell me what’s causing you the problem.

HAve you read your book about it?

Note: data values show some relatively insignificant variation according to what source you look up. All units kJ mol-1

data:

dH(hyd of Mg2+) = – 1920
dH(hyd of SO4 2-) = -1004
dH(LE of MgSO4) = – 2833

dH(hyd of Ba2+) = – 1360
dH(hyd of SO4 2-) = -1004
dH(LE of MgSO4) = – 2474

Calc dH(hyd) MgSO4 and BaSO4
going down gp II, what happened to the magnitude of dH(hyd) for each compound?

Comment on dH(LE) going down gp II

Calculate dH(solution) for MgSO4 and BaSO4

ans: should be approximately about – 90 for MgSO4 and approx about +20 for BaSO4 {of that kind of order}

Which becomes less exo dH(hyd's) or dH(LE's)
How will the change in dH(hyd) and dH(LE) affect the solubility of each compound?

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Dr Bateman says:

Explaining solubilities of hydroxides and sulphates of group 2

Before a compound dissolves, its lattice has to be broken down. A high lattice enthalpy tends to leave an unbroken lattice which will mean an insoluble compound. The energy needed to break the lattice is taken from the hydration process.
A high hydration enthalpy for an ion tends to give a soluble compound. Hydration enthalpy increases as the size of an ion decreases and as the charge on an ion increases. This is because both of these factors create a high charge density and cause the ion to attract more water molecules making hydration more exothermic.
As we go down group 2, the increase in cationic size decreases the hydration enthalpy, tending to make all compounds less soluble. Also as we descend the group the same increasing cationic size reduces the lattice enthalpy, tending to make compounds more soluble.
The solubility of the sulphates decreases down the group because the large sulphate ion makes the lattice enthalpy changes less than hydration enthalpy. The hydration enthalpy is therefore dominant.
The solubility of the hydroxides increases down the group because the small hydroxide ion makes the lattice enthalpy change more than hydration enthalpy. The lattice energy is therefore dominant.

http://www.drbateman.net/asa2sums/sum4.1/sum4.1.htm

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Something I found in http://www.thestudentroom.co.uk

The solubility of group 2 sulphates depends on the lattice enthalpy and the hydration enthalpy of the resulting cation. The sulphate ion is large, and therefore changing the size of the cation has only a small effect on the lattice enthalpy, which is in part a function of the sum of the radii of the compound. Therefore, as the group is descended, there is only a small change in lattice enthalpy, but the decreasing charge density of the cations means that the hydration enthalpy yields more energy upon solvation. Because the solubility is favoured by compounds with high hydration enthalpies and low lattice enthalpies (the energy required to break the lattice is compensated for by the energy released from the formation of dative bonds from the water molecules), the solubility increases as the group is ascended because they group two sulphates will have similar lattice enthalpies, however the energy yielded by hydration of smaller group two cations means they are more soluble. There, Magnesium, which is smaller than Barium and has a higher charge density, will release more energy on hydration with water than the energy required to break the lattice and so is more soluble.

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Also found this:

The solubility of the sulphate falls as the group is descended; BaSO4 is some 105 times less soluble than MgSO4. The large sulphate ion dominates the interionic distance so that the lattice enthalpies do not change much with increasing cation size. However the hydration enthalpy of the cation is now the dominant factor, and as this becomes less exothermic with increasing cation size, so the solubility becomes less.

Salam sir,
im confused on our (my batch, the new syllabus) 6B papers, are they like what the seniors had? the hard synoptic paper??

Hi “you-might-know-me-from-akmar” :)

It is confusing, I agree.

The exams that you will take in INTEC are as follows:
Unit 1 (20%)
Unit 2 (20%)
Unit 3 written practical (10%)
Unit 4 (20%)
Unit 5 (20%)
Unit 6 written practical (10%)

The Unit 3 written practical you will get is going to be very similar to the old Unit3B papers.

The Unit 6 written practical you will get is going to be a bit similar to the Unit6A paper except the results will be given to you.

I am sure you will get the specimen paper to do in your revision sessions. Compare it to the old 6A’s and you will see the similarities.

The old unit 6B synoptic was more like a combination of U1,2,4 and 5 theory papers.

thank you sir ;)

No prob.

i personally think the nuffield unit 6 synoptic paper was though =_=

*tough

Hello “The smiley little girl”
Actually I’m not too sure what Nuffield really is. It’s ‘done’ by edexcel and is kind of A-level standard but like a bit on extra hard chemistry. I think they scrapped it now.

I wonder what the paper looked like! If you are around campus, sms me and give me a look. In return I’ll buy you some food :) and a drink.

1.could you please help me to check on this particular cell diagram?
It’s from George Facer’s A2book.(pg 163, worked example number 2)
The oxidation of iodide ions by manganate(VII) ions in acid solution.

Pt|{MnO4-(aq),H+(aq)},{Mn2+(aq), H2O(l)||I-(aq) |I2(s) |Pt

Since the reaction that happens in anode is the oxidation of iodine,shouldn’t the iodide and iodine be written on the left hand side of the cell diagram.Also,since the oxidation state of Mn in MnO4- is +7 whereas that in Mn2+ is +2, shouldn’t the Mn2+ be appearing NEXT TO the platinum?I am confused..

2. The specification does say we need to know the reduction of aromatice nitro-compounds using tin and conc HCl to form amines, does it mean that we do have to know and memorise the exact procedures of the process that include salt extraction, salting out..etc?

3. The specification says we are required to know the use of hydrogen and alcohol fuel cells as energy source.would we be asked about the internal processes of those fuel cells, like what happens in the anode and cathode?

4.For the mechanism of the thinning of ozone layer, after the first two steps, the free radical ClO in the following should react with the ozone again (as in Pearson ASbook pg214) or another free radical O which is newly formed from an oxygen molecule by action of UV light(as in George Facer’s A2 book pg259)?

5.What actually exactly is the definition of standard enthalpy change of neutralisation? I have seen several version.One of them is ‘when one mole of water is formed’,the other one is ‘when one mole of acid is neutralised by an alkali’(Pearson AS pg 42), the other one is ‘when the molar quantities of reactants as stated in the equation’(Hodder ASbook pg 36).

6. For the reaction profile of a SN1 reaction involving an intermediate, there are two humps between which there should be a short horizontal line indicated by ‘Intermediate’.Normally should the line be drawn lower than the reactants or higher?Lower means the intermediate is at a lower energy lever than the reactants?because in pg 271 of George Facer A2 book, the line is higher and the reason given is due to the stability of delocalised pi-system.so what for the usual case?is this type of reaction profile the same as that for the catalysed reaction(Pearson ASbook pg 201)?

That’s all for now.Thank you for your time and help. Any enlightenment is highly appreciated.

# 200 Superman;-D(who has been bothering you in sms)
May 2, 2010 at 12:33 am

Dear Superman hehehe…

1. The A2 George Facer book I have on p 163 talks about Emission spectra under “Chapter 9 Spectroscopy and chromotography”, and I can’t see any mention of such a combination if ions on pages 208-233 which covers redoxII. Perhaps you have a different George Facer book? Let me know the ISBN.

The I-/(1/2)I2 half cell is in the data book p15, halfcell #50 Its E(std) = +0.54V.
for MnO4- to Mn2+ is E(std) = +1.51V

so The rxns are MnO4–> Mn2+ and I—> (1/2)I2 Ecell=+0.97 V
Notation puts the most -’ve species on LHS {were not using the SHE, which if present ALWAYS goes on the LSH} so we get the I-/(1/2)I2 half cell and this is where oxidation occurs i.e. the anode and should therefore as you rightly say be on the LHS.

I would (quickly)write the cell as Pt| {5I-(aq) | 2(1/2)I2(s)} || {MnO4-(aq), Mn2+(aq)} |Pt E(std)cell = +0.97V. If the your Facer book has it the other way around, is his Ecell=-0.97V ? If it is, then his ‘swapped around’ cell is OK I guess, but it doesn’t obey the conventions, which, although not strictly necessary, make life easier.

As for which Mn species goes where, the most important thing is next to the “||” you put the most oxidised species in the halfcell. In the Mn 1/2 cell MnO4- is +VII whereas Mn2+ is only +II so MnO4- wins and is put . In the RHS elecectrode, put the Pt last, so it will indeed be next to Mn2+(aq). It’s not that important where the Pt goes in this halfcel as both ions are aqueous.

2. “does it mean that we do have to know and memorise the exact procedures of the process that include salt extraction, salting out..etc?” YIP, it sure does. This is most likely to be asked in Unit 6B, the written paper of A2 labwork under systhesis/preparation

3. YIP (as far as I can tell) I think edexcel will like fuel cells because fuel cells are portrayed (laughably) as green.

I’ll try and answer your other Q’s after some sleep.

7.The ISBN of my book is 978-0-340-95761-5.(Not sure if this is the code you meant=p)
It’s stated on the last cover of the book that “answers to all review questions and practice unit tests are provided in Teacher Guide”.Maybe your book is the Teacher Guide?By the way,do you happen to have the answers for those practice?

8. Also, I think I manage to get the answers for the ‘Activity’ sections inserted in the middle of every chapter of Hodder books. I am wondering if it’s worth doing all those questions since revision time is limited.would that be helpful?maybe for the synoptic section in section C of unit 2 and 5 papers?Or maybe they are just really ‘extras’?

9.In the calculation of the pH of a weak acid, it has been assumed that at equilibrium, [acid]eq=[acid]initial.But it’s stated in my George Facer’s A2book(pg 86) that “With weak acids like HF and HNO2,which are stronger than propanoic acid, the approximation should not be made”. In exam would we be asked questions on ‘strong weak acids’ in which we are not supposed to make assumptions?

10. I think I know the answer for question 4 already. I referred to the notes given out by Edexcel named “Context Study:The Atmosphere”.

I can’t thank enough sir.;)

hi sir, ive done the examzone part in A2 pearson chem. starting at page 256. ..the whole unit 4 n 5. do u have the answers? or..will u be at intec one day n can i come n compare my answers to urs or (the books answers if u have)..? and could u let me know when..? thank you =)

Thanks for the explanation on question 1.I think I have gotten quite an clear idea on the writing of cell diagram already. Actually, I designed a key to remember for myself(or maybe heard from you sir) which is the most reduced formed is always put next to Pt,since the most oxidised species in the half cell is put next to the “ll”.I guess it is alright, isn’t it?
The worked example on this particular cell does not work on the electrode potential but just give an example of a cell diagram.So I think I will still stick to what you said.
Thanks again.XD

# 200 Superman;-D(who has been bothering you in sms)
May 2, 2010 at 12:33 am //PART 2\\

4. Again my Facer A2 book p259 seems quite different from yours, and I’m surprised this would appear in an A2 book. My A2 G.F. book talks about organic nitrogen on that page, so I’m not too sure what your point of reference is. I think you meant AS but I don’t have that book at home so I can’t check it out until monday. However in AS Pearson and AS Edexcel revision guides, the following step is shown:
clO(dot) + O3 –> Cl(dot) + 2O2

It is of course possible that ClO(dot) can react with O(dot) but the conc of radicals is quite low. The chance of these two radicals to come together is less likely than a radical to react with a more abundant non-radical such as O2 or O3. Maybe ClO(dot) + O(dot) is describing a step in a different process.

5. Enthalpy of neutralisation involved the formation of one mole of water when an acid is neutralised by a base. That has to be the definition as other definitions are likely to be ambiguous. I really don’t like the AS Pearson definition. there are a few things about Perason that I’m not happy with. {doubtless I would say some things that ‘Pearson’ would not be happy with! LOL}. In the Edecxel revision guide it uses the one mole of water answer. So stick with that.

6. In Pearson AS p 201, The horizontal line between the two humps in the profile (or in SN1 profiles) is just a ‘style’. It has no meaning (you will notice there is no X axis in that case). If in fact if “reaction coordinate” is on the X axis then the horizontal line would actually be incorrect as the increasing ordinate cannot be a straight line! But that’s a side issue. It’s common to draw the intermediate as higher than the reeactants initial energy level. But the important point is to the left or the right of that line (or point) you have to go UP in energy again. Drawing the intermediate at the higher level allows one to draw endo and exo reactions quite easily. to have the line or point below the energy of the reactants makes it ‘weird’ to draw the endo reaction profile. I have no doubr that some REAL intermediats have a higher energy and others a lower energy. As you are sketching a graph with no actual data as to the energy of the intermediate, then you would be forgiven for drawing either illustration. Perhaps Pearson p201 is just trying to show you both can be used.

Once again, (point 6) my Facer A2 book on p271 talks about polymers. I have a strong feeling you are meaning to say G.F. AS but are accidentally saying A2, althoug the ISBN you gave is exactly the same as my A2 book. Hummm…

#202 | Superman returns, May 2, 2010 at 3:21 pm | edit

7. I don’t have the answers to ANY book other than when the book itself gives answers to the questions. That is, except for AS Pearson, but I’ve been told I’m not allowed to give the answers out. I guess you can come to my office and look at them, but I can’t ‘release’ them. Copyright reasons no doubt.

I strongly suggest ALL students chip in together and but the Teachers guide. That way you will ALL own the book and you will all be entitiled to look at the answers yourselves. Isaac (rep of ALM 10M7) is in the process of trying to get ALL students to do this, but because the book is expensive (and not all students have the same book) all it takes is for a few to say ‘No’ and then the price goes up for the remaining students. I think buying the teachers guide amongst the students is a good idea. Perhaps you can QUICKLY get ALM9 to chip in too so it can get here in a copuple of weeks just before your exams. YOU SHOULD BE QUICK HOWEVER!

8. I can’t really say as I don’t know what level of revision you are up to. Definately do the NEW SYALLBUS papers (not forgetting to do extra practive of entropy Q’s from other exam boards like AQA or OCR). You have to judge. I would be less inclined to do questions for which I have no answers for – past years papers excepted(i.e. excluded). Synoptic questions are good as linking aspects of chemistry is very beneficial on the whole.

9.The assumption should indeed not be made in that case. I really doubt that edexcel exams would throw up such a ‘freakish’ example. I think G.F. is just making student be aware that it was an approximation and stopping students from thinking it can always be applied. You probably remember me going ‘off syllabus’ once in a while (LOL). I did so for similar reasons. If you are told it is weak then make the [acid]eq=[acid]initial approximation – unless of course the Q tells you otherwise (but I v. unlikely)

10. Good.

Glad to help a student trying to learn.

#203, zereda May 2, 2010 at 3:35 pm

Unfortunately I don’t have the answers. Please take a look at the 2nd paragraph on point 7, comment #206. We CAN get answers (I’d like them too! and hence I said I would contribute towards the students quest to purcahse those answers) but this MUST be done VERY QUICKLY. Perhaps you can act with “Superman” to get the collection needed. The more students that contribute the cheaper these useful answers can be obtained. I am left with a very bad feeling at the blatent commercialisation of student learning. It must be a very difficult struggle for those students who are financially struggling. It’s terrible.

You are welcome to make an appointment with me to look over the answers. It might take me a while to get going, not being psyched up for exams, I find these days I’m a bit slow to get into the ‘mood’ of the questions. Perhaps you could leave them with me for a day before meeting to discuss them? What do you think?

#204, Superman returns again May 2, 2010 at 3:51 pm

Hello again Superman. {I can’t believe I’m actually blogging with Superman! – LOL} Glad you’re using ‘systems’ to assist learning and memorisation. I agree with what you said…

As the most oxidised species goes beside the salt bridge i.e. “||”, therefore put the Pt electrode(s) on the other side, near the most reduced species in the half cell.

The all important SHE is a good example:

Pt [H2(g)] | 2H+(aq) || …

I am clueless as well as to why my G.F. A2 chemistry book is so different from yours.Mine is a second edition, and I think it’s published by “Philip Allan”.

In reply to #205 4., the chapter (with the topic about the thinning of ozone) at that particular page is actually “Mechanism”, which, I think, is supposed to be in AS syllabus.

Haha,superman saves the world~XD

Dear Superman ;)
My G.F. is also the second edition and also published by the same Philip Allan aswell! Please show me the book next time. I, like you, am totally clueless as to what’s going on. *hantu, mana hanta, ada hantu, mana mana*

Yes (a very simple ‘introduction’ to)mechanisms appear at AS (but also at A2). The radical mechaninism is (I think :s) purely AS

Hi, sir.I would like to ask about significant figures in questions that involve calculations.
Let say there is question about the reaction between zinc and HCl (thermochemistry) with several sub-questions from (a) to (d).

(a) could ask for the energy change of a reaction calculated from
Energy change=m x c x temp change which is =18831J mol-1 (for eg)

(b) could ask for the amount of moles of reactant, say, Zn.
(c) would therefore ask for the standard enthalpy of reaction.

My question is:
1. should the value in (a) be rounded off to one of a less number of significant figures? And should it be given a sign since it is just ‘energy change’?

2.And since the final answer in (a) is to be brought to (c), should the value taken be the rounded off one or the original one?

3.Actually I am still not quite sure as to how many significant figures to be put in the final answer.You had been advising us to refer to the other figures given in the question. What if the numbers are not all given in the same number of sig fig? To be on the safe side,how many number of sig fig would you advise?

Thanks~

haha!I just followed to the link *hantu, mana hanta, ada hantu, mana mana* haha that’s is amusing!LOL!XD

#211, yeah it’s Superman’s time!, May 3, 2010 at 10:12 pm

1. In general, the usual # of SigFigs is 3. The reason why at A-level 3 SigFigs is generally used, is that it means the greatest error will be 1 out of 100 (100 is the first 3 SigFig number) which would give an error of 1%. The 1% error margin is regarded as tolerable or ‘OK’ for A-level.

You don’t state the data used in coming up with your dH value, so I can’t say for sure if your 18831 value is OK or not, however, in an actual lab setting, it’s probably the case that the temperature will have been be read to 1 dp (you’d probably have a 0.5oC or a 0.1 oC graduated thermometer) so the thermometer is probably being read to 3 SigFigs because the temp is probably going to be between 10oC and 99oC that’s 2 SigFigs and then add on the 0.5 or 0.1’s, e.g. temp was 25.6oC. That my reasoned guess anway.
All other data is probably read to 3 or more SigFigs. So, IF THE DATA SUPPORTS IT, reporting the dH value as 18800J mol-1 i.e. 18.8 kJ mol-1 would be OK.

The problem is that zero’s on the RHS of the decimal point are sometimes significant which can confuse things. In the event of confusion, just look back at the data. What’s the lowest number of SigFigs in the data you used to come up with your calculated value? Use that level of accuracy for your FINAL answer.

Intermediate answers or steps in a long calculation can be written as 3 SigFigs as an indication your value is ‘on the right path’ but keep the full value in your calculator and ONLY round up this possibly large number at the very end.

the original number 18831J mol-1 only has 5 SigFigs, no decimal places and is a J mol-1 value, so it might be tolerated if you left the number like 18831 J, but remember, it is the accuracy of the data which determines the accuracy of your final answer.

2. Use the original number of you have to take the answer from (a) and use it in (c).

3. Look at the SigFigs of the data. If various bits of data have different SigFigs then it’s always the data with the LOWEST number of SigFigs that your answer should be reported to.

e.g. (and I’m just making numbers up here, so don’t expect an actual calculation to work out) 1.5g of Ba(OH)2 was dissolved in 1000cm3. 25.0 cm3 of which was sampled and titrated against 0.3 M HCl solution. The Burette recorded a volume of 25.65cm3 HCl.
Here we have 4,3,2 and 1 SigFig! If the calculation used the concentration, i.e. 0.3M then your final answers should only be 1 SigFig too!. You would be unlikely to get this terrible standard of accuracy in an exam. The conc would probably say 0.300 which is 3 SigFigs.

Hope that helps.

*hantu, mana hantu, ada hantu, mana mana* was Ceplos. My family liked to watch it. LOL.

I have gotten a clear idea about what you said.Thanks again. But I am afraid that you have overlooked the second part of question 1. In referring to the same question I gave, should we put a sign, either positive or negative, in the (a) which asks for ‘energy change’? Is it true that only in (c) that we should include a sign?And should it be at the very START of the steps or only at the FINAL answer in working in (c)?

Hi,sir. I would like to ask what is the function of D2O added to a compound in an NMR? Such as compound containing OH group?

Thanks:)

#215, Superman, May 4, 2010 at 9:48 am

Sorry for overlooking the 1st part of your Q.

In the past, I penalised students for NOT writing a sign at that stage in the calculation. One ALG student who I penalised wasn’t very happy because in the mark scheme it wasn’t necessary to have a sign at that stage.

E.g. Jan 2006, Unit 3bB, Q 4 d i)
The Students had to do a dH = m c dT calculation. The reaction was exothermic. The Q said: “calc the heat change for this reaction.” and it gave the dH = m c dT type info. The answer on the mark scheme had no -’ve sign for the reaction. (and it didn’t have a ‘+’ sign either)
The next part of the question, part ii), said “Use your answer from (d)(i)… to calculate the enthalpy of neutralisation
per mole of nitric acid, HNO3. Include a sign and units with your answer.”
. So I could understand why he was not so happy,. He did have a very valid point, and was probably correct, BUT I maintained the penalty because if that ‘remember to include a sign” statement was missing, which is I guess possible, then the student might have forgotten to write it. My logic was by doing it at the first opportunity, the chances the student would forget it would be less., if in some other paper there was no reminder about the sign. One could argue, as I did, that it was correct, irrespective of the mark scheme, to put the sign in at the stage. The reaction did liberate heat. The enthalpy change was exo.

It is true, the mark scheme for part i) only had a signless number in it {in the working out and in the answer}, so there is a chance the student might have LOST :s a mark if they did put a -’ve sign in at that stage.

All things considered then, it might be best to write something in brackets like: “this value calculated is the magnitude for the exothermic reaction” so you are still in agreement with the answer but you are addressing the sign issue early on, and letting the examiner know that you understand the sign stuff.

This is one of those slightly unclear areas.

Hope that helps.

#216, Catwoman, May 4, 2010 at 4:47 pm

The H in OH groups is “labile“, meaning it can break away from the O (forming H+) the D in D2O is also labile. The result is the D in D2O can replace a H in compound that originally has the OH group. D (or 2H, duterium) does not absorb radio waves at the same place as 1H, so on a 1H spectrum the OH peak will get smaller and smaller as time goes on when the D replaces the H. So the diminishing peak (continually monitoring the NMR) indicates that peak was an OH group. Alcohol or Carboxylic acid for A-level purposes.
Sometimes it is said the peak at x ppm vanishes. Here the NMR wasn’t monitored in real time, but a spectrum taken after the D replaced the H.

You might wonder if D is also labile, why doesn’t H come back again and replace the D on the newly formed OD group, well D is LESS labile than H so it ‘sticks’ in the O more strongly than the H so the eqm lies in favour of the duterated compound.

Like a lot of NMR stuff, I find that incredibly cunning.

p.s. I didn’t realise there were so many ‘“super heros” in INTEC. Wow! Must be something in the Bloc V canteen Nasi Lemak :D

Oh I see now. so in the sub-question (c) that asks for the Standard Enthalpy of, say, Reaction, that is to be calculated from the previously obtained ‘number of moles’ and ‘energy change’, I should include a sign from the beginning of the working steps, either positive or negative.
Am I right?

Haha, I am deadly curious about the true identity of Catwoman!Probably there will be more superheroes coming up.XD
Haha I like food in the canteen by the way.=)

I’ve asked some of my friends, n they dont seem that interested in buying the answers. plus ” superman” n i wanted to meet u in ur room ..so could u do the examzone unit 4 n 5 questions..then it woudl be easier for us to refer to ur answers. i thought it was better than nothing. =) could u let me know the time n day when ur free so i can come by?

#220, Superman, May 4, 2010 at 9:53 pm

The way I look at it now (dependent on exactly what the Q requires of you of course!) is to put the sign when you calculate the familiar/important energy term e.g. ‘standard enthalpy of neutralization’, but when you’ve done the dH = m c dT equation, write in brackets something like “the magnitude calculated represents an exo/endo value because the temperature increased/decreased” {delete word/s as appropriate}
I think that’s best.

Superheros: I wonder who “cicakman” would be.

#221, zereda, May 4, 2010 at 10:57 pm

Pity they don’t want to get the ‘guide’, and I’m not spending that amount of money all by myself.

As for the Q’s, OK, leave it with me. I’ll try and get those Q’s done. Perhaps see me tomorrow (thursday) in the afternoppon. 3:00pm?

Thanks for ur explanation sir.^^

yeah thursday 3pm is alright. the questions are on page 256 until 263 thanks sir =)

Hi! sir, i have two questions here..
1) starch cannot be added at the beginning of the titration of iodine against sodium thiosulphate as iodine-starch complex will be formed. however, if starch is added at the beginning of the titration, the volume of sodium thiosulphate needed to reduce iodine will be greater or smaller? Why?

2) Can you please look at the recrystallisation process of 2,4-DNP derivative on page 109 Pearson A2? why is it different from the usual recrystallisation process? For example, why does filtration carried out before disolving the solid and why isn’t there any filtration before cooling and recrystallisation.

Thank you.

Sorry sir. Another question’s here.

To answer the question why the solubility of Group 2 hydroxide increases down the group, is it ok if i write like this:

As the cation size increases down the group, both lattice energy and enthalpy of hydration become less exothermic. However, lattice energy becomes ‘less exothermic’ at a faster rate. As a result, the enthalpy of solution becomes more exothermic. So, the solubility increases down the group.

However, according to the mark scheme, it is given that ‘the lattice energy decreases faster’ instead of ‘the lattice energy becomes less exothermic at a faster rate’.

So, which one is correct?

thank you.

Hi sir, since there’s different version of facts on the colour of phenolphthalein at the end point, so what is your opinion on how we should state the colour change of the indicator from acid to neutral and from alkaline to neutral?
Thanks sir.

#226, MY, May 8, 2010 at 11:30 am

1) Here’s the reasoning currently stuck in my mind…

Starch is a polysaccharide, and forms molecules with a distribution of lengths (depending on how many starch units happened to link up) Like a protein or enzyme, these long starch molecules tend to fold in on itself (intRAmolecular attractions).

Starch looks ‘cloudy’ as the large folded polymeric units it forms can get to a size around about the same as the wavelength of light, so the big starch particles interfere with the passage of light through the solution.

If the particles are very small much less than (10)^-6m as in the case of hydrated Na+ and Cl- ions, then light passes through the solution and it looks transparent.

But for starch , because of its size similarity to light, visible light interacts with the starch structures, which results in the light getting scattered – the light ‘bounces’ off and is deflected by the starch. This scattered light can reach the eye. All frequencies of the white incident (‘initial’) light are scattered which is why it looks a bit cloudy white.

The point here is that starch in solution form a BIG and folded/twisted structure. If you add iodine molecules to starch, the I2 binds to it forming a starch-iodine complex which the eye can easily see/detect. The more I2 you have, the more it can get into pores etc in the structures starch forms. These ‘pores’ and other ‘cave like’ areas on the molecule can ‘trap’ or ‘seal away’ I2 making it difficult for the added (S2O3)2- difficult to reduce the I2 molecules.

Therefore you end up adding more thiosulphate that you would otherwise need. You can think of it as more (S2O3)2- is needed to force the I2 out { but please don’t that that visualisation aid too literally}

By adding starch at the end, i.e. when there is v. little I2 present. the vast majority of the I2 will be bonded to the starch on the outside of the starch structure. making it easy and quick to react with the thiosulphate, so the moles of thiosulphate is closer to the appropriate number of I2.

The titration will be more accurate.

But remember starch is added to make the colour change easier to see. No starch means the colour would be brown and gradually gets paler and paler yellow. One or two drops before the end point, the paleness makes it harder for the human eye to see the disappearance of the colour. Whereas the eye can see the blue/black starch-iodine complex to colourless much more easily.

2) Step 1 and 2 make the crude solid. That’s why they have filtration in the second diagram. Quite often recrystalization is discussed from the point where you already have your crude solid already formed, but I agree. The rest after that is pretty poor recrystalization technique. What can I say? – “Typical Pearson” perhaps?? I know it ‘s not easy to write a book, but really for a high cost commercial product like this book, Pearson is a let down and seems to have skipped Quality control.

PROPER METHOD: Once the solid is made, filter it to get the crude solid or crystals Using a hotplate. dissolve the solid in the minimum amount of hot solvent. Filter the solution WHILE HOT in a pre-heated ordinary funnel with fluted filter paper. Allow the filtrate (the liquid left after filtration) to cool SLOWLY. Use a Buchner funnel to filter under vacuum collecting the solid . Wash solid with a small amount of ICE COLD solvent. Allow crystals to dry.

I don’t like Pearsons method. To me it seems to encourage small crystal (usually a bad idea as they can sometimes be so small that they pass through the filter paper! – so you lose them!) formation and the also encourage occlusion (holes), which can trap impurities and solvent!

It is possible that Edexcel have ‘relaxed’ the learning requirements in describing the recrystalization process. But the old system is FAR, FAR better.

#227, MY, May 8, 2010 at 11:30 am

As the cation size increases down the group and the cation charge remains the same, both lattice energy and enthalpy of hydration become less exothermic. However, lattice energy becomes ‘even less exothermic’ than the sum of the hydration enthalpies of the ions. As a result, the enthalpy of solution becomes less endothermic {try not to say ‘more exothermic’ because the species may still have an endo dH value!!!} So, the solubility increases down the group.

That’s how I’d put it.

#228, Catwoman’s housemate, May 8, 2010 at 10:04 pm

There should be no “different version of facts on the colour of phenolphthalein at the end point”. If you spotted something, please let me know.

In acid solution it’s colourless, in basic solution it’s pink. The indicator is normally initially added to the ‘conical flask reactant’ giving a colourless solution. When the titration begins but acid and base, e.g. NaOH, the solution gets more and more basic. Finally a pink colour suddenly appears. Note: you MUST use a strong base for phenolphthalein. It won’t work is you use a weak base, as the colour will gradually appear, not appear suddenly. The eye would find it very difficult to spot colourless to “almost colourless, but the tiniest hint of pink”,

The base is sometimes (accidentally) put in the conical flask and phenolphthalein added. In this case the colour would be pink. Titrating with acid (in the burette) means the pink colour would slowly fade. The eye would find it hard to see the total disappearance of the very pale pink (just before the end point) to colourless AT the end point.

Titrations are sometimes done to give a colour rather at the end point, rather than just have a colour fade to colourless.

Thank you so much, sir. i have another question here.

1) ‘To about 2cm3 of aqueous KMnO4, add an equal volume of dilute sulphuric acid, followed by 4cm3 of FeSO4.’

Observation: Purple solution turns colourless.

Is the observation correct? Or it should be ‘ Purple solution turns permanent pale pink’?

2) What is the colour change of the end point of the titration of FeSO4 with KMnO4? Does it change from colourless to permanent pale pink? If yes, is the pale pink colour due to a little excess of KMnO4?

Thank you, sir.

Again sorry sir. Another question here.

For the experiment of reduction of Cr(VI) into Cr(II), when the solution turns from green to blue, the screw cap is to be closed or the tap of the funnel to be closed in order to build up pressure to draw Cr(II) solution to sodium ethanoate solution?

Thank you.

#232 & 233, MY

1) I don’t know the context of your question so this is my best guess: Assuming complete reaction with no excess of either reagent, the solution should end up being a mix of pale yellow (Fe3+ now present) and the pale pink of the Mn2+ What that combination looks like, I can’t remember

In the above situation, the purple colour is lost.

If there were colourless reactant ions involved (e.g. not Fe or V etc) then the MnO4- would indeed form a pale pink solution as Mn2+ would be the only coloured ion in the solution which is (very) pale pink.

Considering the wording above, I’m guessing the final colour is NOT that important, and that the important thing is that the purpole colour is lost – i.e. the MnO4- reacted. Remember I don’t know the context of the info you gave.

2) In titration of MnO4-, the manganate (VII) is usually in the burette. The end point will probably be pale pink but not because of the Mn2+, instead it’s due to the small excess of intensely coloured purple MnO4- dispersed in a large amount of solution, giving it a very much duluted purple colour which looks pale pink.

It is a common misperception among students to think the colour at the end point is pale pink due to Mn2+.

Again if Fe2+ is used, the Fe3+ at the end will have an effect on the final appearace at the tnd point. I’m guessing however that this say Fe3+ colour will be ignored and the approximation ‘pale pink’ will be OK.

Ummm…. I don’t have that info to hand at the moment, and I can’t really see your question, neither can I remmeber that practical :s, so let me guess. As pressure is mentioned, I guess a gas is being produced, possibly CO2, which if in a sealed container could force some liquid up into a tube which may lead to a source of pure Ch3COONa solution.

Sir, for practicals papers, would we be asked to “Plan an experiment” to determine, say, the formula of magnesium oxide (Jun 09 Unit 3b) or the reactivity order of halogenoalkanes?thanks.

Hi. There is some debate about this. I am of the opinion that this question could well come up, particulary in the written practicals 3B and 6B. I see no reason why it could not be asked!

Really a planning exercise involves a few skills. 1) You know the particular theoretical chemistry 2) You know the relevant practical technique 3) You can exaplain in a logical and systematic way how to do the practical bit to test the theory.

These questions mostly came up in the U3A and U6A lab based practical assessments, which you no longer do, but just because you no longer do those papers doesn’t mean such questions won’t come up in other papers like U3B and U6B which you WILL do.

And because you don’t really have to be in possession of ‘different’ or ‘extra’ knowledge you should not be surprized if something resembling a planning exercise came up.

That’s the best I can say at this time.

salam

sir,why is the reaction between benzenediazonium ion with phenol be carried out in alkaline condition??

thanks.

hi Sir,
1.for the test to determine the presence of sulfate ion or to identify an unknown anion which in the end is found to be sulfate, both barium chloride and dilute hydrochloric acid are required. would the order of the substances added matter?would it make any different results?

2.In exam, the name of [SO4]2- anion should be spelled as sulFate or sulPHate?

Hope to receive your reply soon.thanks!

Reduction of KMnO4 to Mn2+ is often employed to confirm the presence of alkene or OH group which will be converted to a diol and oxidation products of alcohol (aldehyde/ketone/carboxylic acids).Is this a correct statement?
In relation to the aforementioned statement, as i see from the past years papers (U3B), KMnO4 could be used in three conditions, namely alkaline, acidic and neutral. Which one is the most appropriate?and are we expected to know all three? e.g., brown or green precipitate will be yielded from neutral or alkaline KMnO4?

#237, muslim super May 10, 2010 at 8:33 pm

I don’t think one MUST add base when performing coupling, but if one did use basic conditions its would probably be to neutralize the HCl produced which I guess would drive the equilibrium to the right hand side. It might have a number of other effects too, like removing the H from the OH in phenol therefore making the phenoxide anion. This enhances the rings nucleophilic character and can attack the terminal N of the dizonium salt, so a faster reaction might occur. These are just (educated)guesses though as I’ve not studied the ‘inner workings’ of the reaction.

#238, Superman May 10, 2010 at 8:38 pm

1) Yes. The order of addition is important.

a) If you add HCl(aq) first, [Assuming no Pb4+, Pb2+ or Ag+] then the only time a ppte might occur is afte you add BaCl2(aq). If a white ppte then definately BaSO4 formed, hence (SO4)2- was present.

b) If BaCl2(aq) is added first [again assuming no Pb4+, Pb2+ or Ag+] then a white ppte may form if (CO3)2-, (SO3)2- or (SO4)2- was present. Add HCl(aq) now and if a white ppte remains then it was sulphate.

You should be able to see the difference here and understand what’s happening.

2) The spelling doesn’t matter, however it seems the powers that be decided to use the American spelling sulfate. The latter is more in line with malaysian phonetic spelling so should be easier for you guys, so use it.

# 239, Superman May 10, 2010 at 9:19 pm

Please read Jim Clark’s chemguide about this. I think it will answer your questions. http://www.chemguide.co.uk/organicprops/alkenes/kmno4.html

For the reaction of KI and H2SO4,it’s said that the HI resulted initially is so strong in its reducing ability that it reduces H2SO4 further several products.
Are these the equations?

KI+H2SO4–>HI+KHSO4
8HI+H2SO4–>H2S+4I2+4H2O

Also, according to some mark schemes, black solid is formed, what is its identity?
It’s been said that yellow solid (sulfur) is also form.Why is it absent from the equations I wrote?Or maybe the equations I gave are incorrect?

THanks!

#243, Superman May 10, 2010 at 10:18 pm

2.7.2.d. Describe and carry out the following reactions:
i. potassium halides with concentrated sulfuric acid, halogens and silver nitrate solution

The reactions are Pearson(AS) p193 or you can check the equations at Doc Browns site:
http://www.docbrown.info/page07/ASA2group7b.htm

The black solid is I2(s)
Pearson and Doc Brown don’t show the formation of S. I don’t know why. It can be produced.
Eqn = 6HI(g) + H2SO4(l) –> 3(I2)(s) + S(s) + 4H2O(l)

In the preparation of phenylamine from nitrobenzene (a reduction) using Sn and cHCL, there is this step: ”salting out”. Up till now, I still can’t quite put my finger on this term.
1.To ‘salt out’, powdered sodium chloride is added.the only explanation i have come across is the phenylamine previously formed is significantly soluble in water but very much less so in SATURATED NaCl soln.(pearson A2 page210) what does that mean? Does that mean phenylamine will ”keep away” from the ‘saturated’ NaCl(aq) and thus not run off from separating funnel later on?
2.Following on, ethoxyethane is added and solvent extraction is carried out, is this done because the phenylamine is soluble in ethoxyethane but not in water so can be separated using separating funnel?

Thank you so much for your patience.

Phenylamine is an organic compound, its polarity is generally quite low. It can dissolve a little bit in water due to the fact that the NH2 group can hydrogen bond with water, but the solubility is quite poor due to the large hydrophobic phenyl (C6H5) group. Jim Clark says the solubility is about 3.6g per 100ml water.

By adding loads of ions (from NaCl) to the reaction mixture (which coltains an aqueous component), the ionic nature of the water layer increases making poorly polar compounds less able to form intermolecular bonds with the solvent, because the solvent is now interacting (more strongly) with the ions instead. Hence the low polarity substances are expelled from the solution, while highly polar impurities remain in the aq. phase.

In terms of doing this as a liquid-liquid extraction, the low polarity compound therefore get extracted into the organic layer, and organic solvents are easy to remove – leaving behind the desired product – than water is.

So the salt makes the organic product come out.

Try this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ciWpS6SetdY

Does that help tie it together?

salam sir..
now i understand what ‘salting out’ means.. ;)

instead of saying salting out, may i use reduce the solubility of phenylamine in aqueous solution??

AgBr precipitate obtained in the practical test for the presence of halides ions turns green/yellow/grey in colour in the presence of sunlight, why is it so?Any specific equations?
Will other silver halides give the same reaction?

#247, The smiley little girl May 11, 2010 at 9:12 am

Well “reduce[ing] the solubility of phenylamine in aqueous solution” is a major part of it, but your wording doesn’t indicate how the solubility is decreased. Was the temperature changed? – one wouldn’t know. “Salting out” indicates the a salt is used to achieve the decrease in solubility.

I don’t have any advice as to whether the term should be used or not, so know the term and what it means.

The colours of Iodine could be variable as I see it from mark schems.Could you please tell me the its colours in organic solvent, liquid state, solid state and vapour state please?

Thanks thanks!!!

Intechemistry says: I2 solid state = black. I2 vapour: purple. I’m not sure about I2 liquid as I think it sublimes at normal atmospheric pressure. As a guess, I’d say it’s likely to be black or purple. Why are you asking about I2 liquid. Is the colour of it on the specification?

what exactly is the function of anti-bumping granules?To prevent to formation of large bubbles thus bumping?Is it used in both distillation and heat under reflux apparatus set-up?thanks again!

#248, Superman May 11, 2010 at 11:40 am

I’m not sure about the AgBr ppte. If it starts to take on a colour, then that makes me think perhaps the Ag is changing oxidation state. Ag usually exists as a +I ion, but UV light is quite energetic so different things can happen. Ag is afterall, below Cu which is a transition metal. Perhaps pi to pi* transitions are occuring or maybe some weak MLCT [Metal Ligand Charge Transfer] effect is occuring, or maybe the UV light is somehow producing radicals (perhaps Br.) which might combine into brown Br2, but because the concentration is low, may not look very brown. Grey makes me think of Ag(OH)2 and Ag2O (silver oxide), but I’ve never had reason to be bothered about it. It does seem rather trivial. Where did you come across that information?. I don’t know if other AgX’s do, but I guess they would based on what one might call molecular periocicity.

#250, Superman May 11, 2010 at 6:11 pm

Iodine in organic solvent is purple.

In aq solvent it is yellow, however isn’t very soluble. KI is usually added which forms (I3)-. Being ionic, (I3)- is very soluble and help the undissolved I2 in the water to dissolve. This (I3)- silution appears dark brown in colour. Because (I3)- behaves just like I2, then “iodine solution” i.e. the useful/’workable’ solution of (I3)- is the one whose colour is used to describe the colour of “iodine” in solution.

Actually, the dark brown colour is actually still yellow, but the colour intensity of (I3)- is very significnat and therefore appears brown. Think about taking one drop of (I3)- and diluting it in 20 cm3. It’s going to look yellow when dilute. KMnO4 is similar. It looks deep purple in comman useage, but when very dilute, it looks like a pale pink – which is jus tthe purple dispersed and diluted.

Remember the eye notices a few optical effects, two of which are WAVELENGTH and INTENSITY.

Hope that hasn’t confused you too much.

#251, Superman May 11, 2010 at 6:24 pm

In line with what you say, anti-bumping granules stop large bubbles (that can form when boiling), from forming. The rapid formation of a bubble is like a little explosion. The contents in the flask being boiled can splash violently over a relatively large distance. They are not esential, but usually very helpful in ensuring ‘smooth’ boiling, esp if an old chemist like me wants to heat with a Bunsen! Shock Horror!!!

Always a pleasure to help Superman. Not many people can say they helped Superman :)

hi sir,
i have recently tried the questions in the examzone in pearson A2 but i cant find any answer scheme to check..
will u please have a look at the question (especially question for examzone unit5) and kindly post it here?
thx a lot sir!

It’s almost done. I’ll try and put it up tonight.
A number of things (as usual) prevented me from posting it on the weekend.

To describe the colour of the mixture of starch and iodine,are we supposed to give “A BLUE-BLACK complex is formed”?As I see it from the chemistry user guide (internal assessment of practical skills) given out by edexcel page 5,
“Describing colours with elaborate adjectives such as brown-black or blue-green” should be avoided.

I am so sorry, sir. The experiment I was talking about is the preparation of chromium (II) ethanoate complex. At first, the screw seal at the top of the delivery tube is left completely loose to allow the hydrogen gas to escape. When Cr3+ is reduced to Cr2+ in which the solution turns from green to blue, the cap of the seal is screwed shut and the pressure of hydrogen forces the Cr2+ solution into the test tube containing sodium ethanoate. My question is that whether the tap of funnel or the cap of screw seal is supposed to be closed?
Thank you, sir.

sir,
in our first sem practical (exp5) c (ii) >>to (alcohol), add (carboxylic acid) followed by concentrated acid..warm the test tube in water bath and then pour the mixture from the test tube into sodium carbonate solution..why is the purpose of pouring it into sodium carbonate solution?
thank you

#257 anonymous May 11, 2010 at 11:11 pm
Intechemistry says:It’s to neutralize any acid left over. Sometimes you are asked to smell the contents. Acids do smell a bit – especually carboxylic acids. The smell from these acids would prevnt you smelling the ester by itself, hence getting an accurate idea as to how it smells.

sorry sir, #257 was referring to 3rd sem practicals

SUGGESTED (!) ANSWERS to PEARSON A2 Exam Zone Questions available here:
http://intechemistry.wordpress.com/2010/01/01/file-depository/

Spread the word, for the word is good! ;)

I know the answer for the question in #255 already as the end of the chemistry user guide (internal assessment of practical skills)give it as iodine solution gives a blue-black coloration with starch. so I assume this is correct. However, I wonder it’s the iodine or the starch giving the coloration. could you please enlighten me?

Intechemistry says: I2 forms a complex with starch. It is this complex which makes the colour.

Again, in this particular booklet again, it is given that the precipitate initially formed from the addition of NH3 to aqueous solution containing Cr2+ will dissolve to form a GREEN solution.However, in Pearson book pg 187 it is given as YELLOW.which is correct?
Sorry for asking such small insignificant questions, but I hate this kind of confusions.:s

Intechemistry says: In the case of transition metal compounds I always come across this confusion every year. This is one ‘bad’ thing about reading from different sources – you sometimes apparently conflicting info. One reason for this confusion is it sometimes depends on the starting compound and also the concentration of the species you form. So use green until further notice. I’m more inclined to think Pearson has made another error. I would say, (and I’m assuming you meant Cr3+, not Cr2+) the colour should be green. G.Facer p223 says ‘green solution’ – note it’s a very slow process: The old Nelson series (the past version of ‘Pearson’ which wasn’t too bad actually) says Cr3+ hexaaqua plus NH3 stops at deprotonation! i.e. doesn’t ‘wait’ for the NH3 ligands to bond when NH3 is added to excess, but that seems to be different now. If one started from a non-aqua complex, it may be possible to get NH3 to bond fairly quickly. And the colour you might see could be a mix of the chloro and the new ammine complexes. This colour mixing happens with Cu hexaaqua when c. HCl is added.

Sorry for some typos in the previous message. Cr3+ in place of Cr2+. And it’s “will dissolve to form a GREEN solution on adding excess NH3″.

Thanks for your time and help..

Intechemistry says Aaaah. OK. Just spotted your self-correction.

#255, Superman May 11, 2010 at 10:25 pm

Hahahah! When we met the Edexcel rep, I think she told us that about the elaborate colour descriptions (or she told us to look at reference material which mentioned it – I can’t quite remember which). Shortly afterwards they tried to ‘promote’ their ‘wonderful’ Perason book. I turned to the Flame tests wondering what new names they would therefore give the flame colours. Guess what I found for calcuim. “(Yellow-) red” LOL.

If you look at June 2009 Unit 2 Q 15 You will see they use blue-black, so what do you make of that?
Also Cr3+ aq ions after oxidation from (Cr2O7)2- do look blue-green, although admittedly the word ‘green’ is te standard name given to the blue-green colour.

If you want to avoid blue-black, then you are free to do so. Choose a suitable alternative colour. Personally I’m not to sure how else to describe it.

#256, MY May 11, 2010 at 10:36 pm
Pearson (A2) p185 has a diagram of the setup needed and a description of what happens. Do you have that book? The book says the tap of the funnel is closed to get the pressure to force Cr2+ up the ‘delivery’ tube. After it’s added to sodium ethanoate solution. The bit about the “the cap of the seal is screwed shut ” does seem a bit weird, as though it should be talking about the funnel tap closing instead. If this is not shit, then there would not be any pressure build up. I can think of why there would a second ‘open’ place that needs a seal closed. Hummm. Sorry, but I am not familiar with that practical.

sir, i have a question here, regarding reactivity of alcohol with sodium:
what is the trend in rate of reaction from methanol to pentan-1-ol?
(my answer-reactivity decreases)
can u suggest an explanation for the trend?(should i talk about the length of hydrophobic part of the alcohol? otherwise how should i explain this?)
thanks sir.

salam sir,
i have a few questions from our sem4 practical 4.5 “An experiment to measure the lattice energy of calcium chloride” (which we didnt actually carry out; i dont have the answer to the question so just want to check the answer here)

1-state the main source of error during the experiment
2-apart from lattice and hydration enthalpies, what other factor is important in determining the solubility of salt in water?

i cant be more thankful sir.

When NaOH or NH3 are added to a solution containing a metal ion, a ppte of the insoluble hydroxide is formed.But only certain metal ions will have their initial ppte dissolved on addition of excess of either NaOH or NH3. It was asked in the trial exam QUESTION3 that the property being tested by the addition of excess NaOH is AMPHOTERIC. My question is , what is the property being tested by the addition of excess NH3?Is it LIGAND EXCHANGE REACTION?

In trial exam question 2 (a)(i), PCL5 is added to an unknown compoud P, steamy fumes is observed, so it is either carboxylic acid or alcohol. In 2(a)(iii), a triiodoform reaction is observed on P. So, my question is, the inference on the identity of P is either ethanol ONLY or we need to put both ethanon and METHYL SECONDARY ALCOHOL (which is NOT specified)?

observations when sodium is added to alcohol-effervescence, solid melts, white solid forms.
for the second observation, should i say solid melts/dissolves/disappears?
thanks

#264 girLnexTDooR May 12, 2010 at 9:24 am
You are right. The reactivity decreases. This is because the OH group becomes a relatively smaller proportion or less significant) part of the alcohol. Statistical chance of collsions between OH and Na are lower, hence a decrese in rate is observed.

#265, anon May 12, 2010 at 9:42 am
Salam. I don’t have any practical stuff with me right now on the main campus, but I’d say:

1- The main source of error is most likely to be the temperature readings.

2- The change in entropy

#266, Superman May 12, 2010 at 9:59 am
excess NH3 = Ligand exchange as you correctly identified :)

2 (a)(i) Inference based on that observation alone is: It contains an OH group (carboxylic acid OR alcohol)
2(a)(iii) Assuming only one functional group. the OH containing compound was therefore it was a 1o or 2o methyl alcohol.

It’s not possible that you can say with certainty that it is ethanol from the information you have given. So I’d agree the inference should be “yellow ppte CHI3 formed, ethanol or methyl 2o alcohol is present” should be the inference. Is there an impirical formula or a M+. value or something?

I haven’t seen the trial exam papers.

#267, anonymous May 12, 2010 at 10:15 am

If it’s an observation then yes, say it. The solid does melt and the Na(l) eventually disappears too on completion of its reaction with water. Say all observations that are valid and relevant.

sir,
(a)
can u pls giv me the balance equation for the formation of benzenediazonium chloride from phenylamine and nitrous acid?
(p/s- if we were asked to write and eqn for the formation of benzenediazonium chloride, do we include sodium nitrate and HClaq or jus HNO2?)

(b)do we use concHCl or dilute HCl with regards to the above reaction?

(c) what is the appearance of the aspirin formed ? (from practical preparation of aspirin)

(d) why is it necessary to heat the sample slowly when measure the melting temperature of the solid?

p/s-this is the best place for me to clear my chem doubts..thx so much for helping sir!

#272, girLnexTDooR May 12, 2010 at 11:59 am

a) C6H5-NH2 + NaNO2 + 2 HCl –> C6H5-N(+)NCl- + NaCl + 2H2O
I put in the + of C6H5-N(+)NCl- to tell you the positive charge is on the N bonded to the ring, and NOT the end N.

b) The HCl is aqueous. I dont think using concs gives any advantage advantageous so the aqueous (i.e. dilute) HCl is used instead.

c) Asprin [acetylsalicylic acid] is probably a white ppte. I know it’s poorly soluble which is why some versions of it are sold as the sodium salt to make it soluble (COOH part is turned into COONa).

d) so the temperature of the heater and the solid are the same. A high heating rate will take some some time to heat to enter the solid and warm it. By thich time the heater will be much hotter as it’s still heating up!. Slow heating allows equilibration of the heat.

p/s Your welcome.

£273 in this case the question actually ask for rxn only between phenylamine and nitrous acid

Nitrous acid needs to be made fresh from NaNO2 and HCl. It decomposes. If Nitrous acid only is asked for then OK, just write HNO2, but that strikes me as being unusual! Best remember how to make HNO2 too.
HCl(aq) + NaNO2(s) –> HNO2(aq) + NaCl(aq)

So the equation would be:
C6H5-NH2 + HNO2 + HCl –> C6H5-N(+)NCl- + 2H2O

1.In practical papers, if I were asked to calculate the percentage error, should I give the answer with a sign “+-”(+above -)?I wasn’t awarded a mark when I give the answer without the sign in my sem 2 practical paper

2.In drawing a separating funnel with organic product and aqueous solution, official mark schemes have always been showing a coloured layer for the organic layer (usually blue:s).Do we need to shade it?Just feel the need to confirm although it doesn’t seem to be affecting the marks awarded.

3. What is the purpose in using AIR condenser in place of water condenser in some processes? I came across this in the practical of preparing nitrobenzene from benzene using nitrating mixture at 50oC in which nitrobenzene is distilled over from the reaction mixture.

sir, what is the colour of bromine water? in the sample assessment material ans scheme it is only written yellow but i saw brown somewhere else..so is brown actually accepted?
thanks

In the same practical of preparing nitrobenzene, when the benzene is added into the nitrating mixture, it’s said that the benzene must be added SLOWLY. Why is it so?
Is it because the reaction is exothermic and releases heat energy thus to keep the temperature under 55oC?

Also, it’s stated that the reaction mixture (benzene+nitrating mixture) is heated for 45 minutes, what could possibly be the reason?is it because the prolonged heating enable the slow reaction with high Ea to take place?(My Guess)

These questions are asked in the handouts given out by lecturers but no answers are given.

If it gives a formation of white precipitate upon adding HNO3 FOLLOWED BY Ba(NO3)2, we know that the white precipitate is BaSO4, am I right? Then if we are to give the inference, should we put the possible anions present are BOTH SO42- AND HSO4-?since they give the same results right?

In precipitation reactions in determining the presence of halides ions, HNO3 followed by AgNO3 is added to a solution. Would we be asked why the addition of HNO3 prior to AgNO3 is essential? What kind of answer should we give in answering this particular question?
I saw an explanation which says anions which would interfere with the test like CO3(2-) are removed.

#276, Superman May 12, 2010 at 3:39 pm

1. I’ve not seen the need for adding ‘+’ or ‘-’ to the error. I was always under the impression absolute error as asked for, hence no need for sign. I’ve seen no guideline requiring a sign. My advice is to see the lecturer who didn’t give you the mark. There may be another reason why the mark wasn’t awarded e.g. did you clerly show your working?

2. You don’t need to shade the layer as long as you clearly show there are layers. In exams NEVER shade using ‘solid colour’. Instead use diagonal lines instead to illustrate/draw attention to some area.

3. A water condenser is IMHO, always better. My advice esp. A-level, is always use a water condenser. I’ve never seen a NEED for an air condenser at A-level. If the heating is mild then perhaps an aircondenser could be used, but I don’t like it. You are vertainly not expected to suggest an air condenser.

#277, girLnexTDooR May 12, 2010 at 3:57 pm

Bromine water is diluted bromine. In most every day experiences, the amount dissolved in water gives it an orange appearance. You could get a yellow colour if the conc is quite dilute. So best say orange I think. Don’t say brown as that resembles PURE bromine. Best not to say say yellow as that resembeles dilute solutions of chlorine water.

If previous sample papers and early edition exam papers are a guideline, then not everything written in a sample paper is of such a high standard – they are not used for a real exam and so don’t have to be that high a standard.

If Yellow was the answer maybe there was something in the Q that indicated it was very dilute?? Was orange not accepted???

# 278, Superman May 12, 2010 at 4:05 pm

You are right. A lot of heat is generated, so adding too much nitrating mixture would therefore make the temperature go >55oC and wen that happens, two nitro groups may add into the ring!! By doing it slowly the heat has a chance to dissapate (spread) throughout the mixture so the temperature doesn’t get too high. You are told to swirl or mix it as well, yes?

After a while the whole mixture doesn’t generate much heat and so needs heating to keep it close to 50oC to improve the rate. The Ea may well be fairly high as the aromatic stability is (temporarily) lost.

Overall, I think you’ve got a good understanding of whats happening here. :D

Re: Q’s given out and no answers. Sorry about that. We are human, but you (Superman) already knew that right – which is why you look after us ;)

There are however a few reasons why we may not give out answers (so casucally at least!)

#279 Superman May 12, 2010 at 4:20

To me, “formation of white precipitate upon adding HNO3 FOLLOWED BY Ba(NO3)2″ means after both of those compounds ware added and then the white ppte is seen. My inferences would be “BaSO4(s) formed and (SO4)2- was initially present.”

I don’t think you are required to test specifically for (HSO4)- so I guess using the observations above you could probbly settle on just identifying the sulfate.

But, please check the specification just in case! as admittedly I’m a bit hazy on (HSO4)-

I think you could perhaps write (HSO4)- or (SO4)2- from the results/observations above if you wanted to. Check your edexcel practical guide and see if (HSO4)- is there.

However to reiterate, my current understanding is that you are not expected to test for (HSO4)- and therefore can just assign the result to (SO4)2-

#280, Superman May 12, 2010 at 4:35 pm

You could well be asked that question. The answer would be to remove any (OH)-, (HCO3)- or (CO3)2- impurities which may ppte with the Ag+(aq) and hence make it difficult/impossible to deduce whether halide anions were present.

#282 there isnt much information in the question..this is it:
describe a test and its result to show the presence C=C in (an unknown compound)
in the ans given it is not stated “reject orange” nor “only accept yellow”

i have another question..is it a must that everytime we test for halide ions in a halogenoalkane with silver nitrate solution we have to hydrolyze with sodium hydroxide first? in past year june 2004 unit3b last question, it is not stated in the marking scheme that sodium hydroxide need to be used, and at the same time it is noted that if any additional reagents are added, max mark is 4 (over5)
thanks~

What could possibly be the explanation for the reactivity trend of primary, secondary and tertiary halogenoalkanes. for example, in Pearson AS pg 220, the reaction of silver nitrate with those halogenoalkanes in the presence of ethanol shows an increasing reactivity from 1o to 3o. The only reason I could think of is because tertiary halogenoalkane has the LARGEST CHARGE DENSITY.Is this correct?otherwise how to explain? If I were not wrong, what has this to do with charge density??how to explain?

Is it true that pear-shaped flask cannot be used in heating under reflux but only in distillation? I heard something like that, but from what I saw from books it is used in both processes.

Given an unknown compound X being tested by adding NaOH and Al, the inferences given should be NO3- only or I need to include nitrite ion?I can’t really find this information from Edexcel practical guide.

Thank you so much again!sorry for not replying some questions in your replies previously.But all the information you gave are very, very helpful,thanks!

Hope to get your follow-up comment soon^^

What is the accuracy or precision of reading of pipette and measuring cylinder?
The edexcel Practical user guide gives something like
pipette: one volume only of 25.0 cm3
measuring cylinder: a 100 cm3 size to 5 cm3, a 10 cm3 size to 1 cm3.

I don’t understand..

When we want to suggest a test to determine the presence of alkene (C=C), we add bromine water, Br2 (aq) with the results being orange turns colourless OR liquid bromine in hexane/tetrachloromethane with the results being brown turns colourless?

Hope to hear from you soon!

p/s: Again, thanks for help!Hope I can do well in papers these two days so as not to let you down with so much time spent on answering question here..xb

When we say a solution,A is TITRATED AGAINST another solution, B, which one of the solutions is in burette and conical flask respectively? A or B?

#291 Superman May 13, 2010 at 7:07 am

A against B (same as ‘A was titrated with B’)
conicAl flAsk against Burette

#286 girLnexTDooR May 12, 2010 at 8:27 pm

Ok then, just use Br2(aq) is orange coloured.

Other Question:
Re: June 04 U3B Q5, we were testing for the realtive rate of hydrolysis (related to the relative C-X bond strengths) and NOT the identity of X.

In that question, the iodo ws faster than the bromo which was faster than the chloro – but how long did it take the chloro to form??? You might have done this in the lab and might remember that it probably didn’t form! That it didn’t form was good enough because we were measuring time taken for the ppte to appear relative to the iodo and bromo. The lack of ppte for chloro was distinguishable from the others.

So imagine in a new experiment, you are trying to find the identity of some compound. You decide to test for a haloalkane (but it could be anything) If you decided to test for an R-X by hydrolyzing it and you only used water, you might think that ‘oh no ppte’ so it’s not R-X , but it could have been the chloro compound, so when testing for R-X, (OH)- should be added as it will ensure all C-X bonds hydrolyze and it will do so quickly.

Does that answer your question?

yes, very clearly sir.
what if we were to compare the rate between primary/secondary/tertiary halogenoalkane using the similiar method?
do we have to hydrolyze it?
thanks

#287, Superman May 12, 2010 at 8:39 pm

There are a number of ways you can discuss it.

Fix the mechanism type. say Sn1.
In SN1, intermediate carbocations form. The ease at which the form is:
(most difficult to form) 1o < 2o < 3o (forms most easily)

For SN2, the steric hinderance factor is important. In SN2, the Nu attacks from behind the C-X bond, so it is very difficult for 3o R-X's to react because of the large/bulky side groups causing steric hinderance. The rate of reactivity is
(most difficult to react) 3o < 2o < 1o (reacts most easily)

Actually for ANY R-x, Sn1 and Sn2 are possibilities and they are in ‘competition’ with one another, so you could ‘weigh’ up the significane/importance/dominance of each type. Doing this, according to George Facer AS book page 271 (the version I have!), OVERALL 3o is the quickest followed by 2o followed by 1o (slowest) at rate of reaction. So the CARBOCATION factor, Sn1, will give the general overall trend.

But I must say, I think such ‘overall’ considerations is very much a simplification!

As for explanations of the ‘greatest charge density’ – ummm, it gives me an uncomfortable feeling to explain it in such a way. It’s certainly ‘unconventional’ to do so – not that conformity is always so great, but the conventional reasons/explanations are pretty much accepted and established already.

#288 Superman May 12, 2010 at 11:26 pm

Generally, pear shaped flasks only have minimal contact with isomantles (electric heaters) – their pointy upside down ‘apex’ gets in contact but the sides of the flask do not. So round bottomed flasks better for isomantles. Waterbats, oil bath and csand bath (or Bunsen – shick horror) are OK. I think I came across one PYP that prenalised pear-shaped-flsk but I can’t remember where I saw it.

If needs must, foil CAN be packed into the space between the walls of the pear shaped flask and the isomantle and reasonable degree of heat transfer and hence heating can occur. I was forced t do that last year as many round bottomed flasks were broken!

Nitrite will NOT undergo reduction to NO2, Nitrates will, so this test is for nitrate, (NO3)-, only. I actually have the feeling identifying nitrites is not required hence won’t be on the test. But sorry, I’m not 100% certain at the momemt – I’ll try and check later.

#289, Superman May 13, 2010 at 12:14 am

A 25ml (i.e. 25 cm3) pipette typically has an accuracy of +/- 0.03ml. they are classified as ‘accurate’ pieces of equipment. You can use them for volumetric studies.

Measuting cylinders accuracy depends but they are NOT classified as being ‘accurate’ I think they have a typical accuracy of about 1%. They are fine for adding solutions that are in excess or whose conc doesn’t matter.

I’m struggling to understand what that guide means as well LOL. Don’t worry Q’s re accuracy will give you the necessary numbers for you to calculate their accuracy.

#290 Superman May 13, 2010 at 6:29 am

Better to stick with bromine water to test for the alnene.

I think 1,1,1-trichloroethane will give similar colours (orange for Br2) but it depends on how much is dissolved in the organic layer. The result would be for Br2 in organic solvent to go from orange to colourless when (sufficient) alkene is added to it.

Photo of halogens in presence of hexane/water layers.
http://jchemed.chem.wisc.edu/JCESoft/CCA/CCA3/STILLS/HALOGEN/HALOGN1/64JPG48/0.JPG

# 294 girLnexTDooR May 13, 2010 at 7:53 am

Personally for the determination of rate of R-X according to their degree of substitution (3o, 2o, 1o), then for

R-I, I’d use acidified(HNO3) water, aq. ethanol and AgNO3(aq)

R-Br I’d use the same as R-I above

R-Cl I’d be very tempted to use the (OH)- instead of water. as I’d expect 1o and 2o R-Cl’s to hydrolyze slowly.

Referring to #292 ,
If A is titrated against/with B, then A is in the conical flask.
Please correct me if I am wrong. Thanks!

salam sir,
for unit6 i am not sure what should focus on..is it similar to what we had in unit3 except that further organic chemistry, transition element and kinetics are included?
can you pls give some advice on what we should pay more attention to?
thanks in advanced

#300 Superman May 13, 2010 at 10:46 am

You are right.

#301 anonymous May 13, 2010 at 3:24 pm

Exexcel made a very vague ‘document’ supposedly about U3 and U6 written alternatives. I must say Edexcel disappoint me with the ‘document’ but here it is…
http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20New%20GCE/International-spec-Chemistry.pdf

After, get a better flavour by analyzing the specimen and past years ‘new specification’ papers
http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20New%20GCE/Chemistry-Practical-Alternative-SAMs.pdf

Please understand my reservation about ‘predicting’ what will come up on this paper. I’ve pushed it to the ‘back burner’ and haven’t really analysed it myself, but of course it is designed to test practical elements of A2 chem. The labs you did last year are likely to be vey relevant.

The edexcel page for Chem is at:
http://www.edexcel.com/quals/gce/gce08/chemistry/Pages/default.aspx

Sir, there were some practicals in previous semester that you didn’t discuss with my class.I wish to ask some of the questions given that I couldn’t figure out the answers.

In practical 9: Identifying an unknown carbonyl compound by recrystallisating the 2,4-dinitrophenylhydrazone derivatives then determining its boiling point.
Q4: If your sample had contained insoluble impurities, such as pieces of filter paper, cork etc suggest how these might have been removed.

Q5:why is it not satisfactory to identify aldehydes and ketones by measuring their boiling-points?

Practical 10: Preparation of methyl 3-nitrobenzoate via two steps :the synthesis of methyl benzoate then nitration of methyl benzoate

Qi: suggest 2 stages in the procedure that may account for a yield lower than 100%?
p/s: If sir you do not have the practical paper with you now, could you please tell me some typical procedures that would reduce yield?thanks!

Qb: suggest two reasons why it is important that, when adding the nitrating mixture to the methyl benzoate-sulfuric mixture. the temperature must be kept in the range of 5oc to 15oc?
I was thinking it is just the same as the nitration of benzene which requires the temperature to be 55oC, but the temperature range in this questions is way different:s

How much do we need to know about the preparation of aspirin? the reactants and procedures seem complicated :s

For the determination of melting point of a solid to verify its identity or determine its purity, Why is it necessary to heat the sample slowly? p/s: I came across this question if aspirin practical paper.

Do we need to know the actions of hydrogen peroxide as both oxidising and reducing agents? (As I see in the practical papers this semester) I don’t understand the answers given in “Past Year Paper 6A(2)”(week 7).

1 (a), on addition of H2O2 to MnSO4(after being determined), EFFERVESCENCE occurs, and it’s an exothermic reaction.why is this so?what gas is being evolved?

1(d), aq NH3 is added to a solution and initially white hydroxide ppte is formed. what could possible be the cations apart from Zn2+?(p/s: If my memory serves me right, possible cations are Al, Pb, Sn.)

#304 Superman May 13, 2010 at 11:41 pm

Prac 9:
Q4: You remove impurities (soluble and insoluble) by doing the recrystalization. The step at when you filter off the hot solution (see comment 229) using fluted filter paper is the step where the insoluble impurities are removed.

Q5: My guess would be that the bpt of aldehydes and ketones cover a smaller range than the mpts of their 2,4-dnp derivitives. An an example (I think) of this the data given shows the two isomers of pentanone with the same bpt: 102oC. Bpt determination at A-level (the inverted capilliary tube method) may also not give such a narrow range for bpt, unlike mpt for the 2,4-dnp derivative.

Prac 10:
Qi: I don’t have a copy of that prac. The esterification step is likely to exhibit a signigicant equilibrium and hence not all product will be converted to the methyl ester. The recrystalisation process will also cause loss of material as not all recrystalises out of the solution and there is some mechanical loss (sticking to filter paper etc)

Qb. You should apply the answer in reply #283. The ‘cool’ temps are different but seeing as a different compound is to be nitrated, it’s not surprizing the ‘cool’ temp is also different. The Ea’s will be different.

#305 Superman May 13, 2010 at 11:51 pm

Know ALL of the synthesis of aspirin. It is not complicated. It uses standard reactions that you have learned previusly. I think B Earl and LDR Wilford’s Further Advanced Chemistry has a good and complete synthesis (not the shortcut/cheapskate one simply involing the acylation of salicylic acid) and that book (blue cover) should be in the Library.

It commonly asked about purely becasue it is representitive of much of the organic chem you learn about :)

Re: “Why is it necessary to heat the sample slowly?”: I think I have answered the question recently. See #273

#306 Superman May 14, 2010 at 1:07 am

H2O2 as a reducing agent? It has a Std Redn Potential of +1.77 V in acidic soln, so is quite a strong O.A. It’s not usually employed as a R.A.

6a(2) 1(a) Here you make the sandy/beige ppte. Indicating Mn(OH)2(s) formed from [Mn(H2O)6]2+. The interface between the solution and indeed the ppte itself gets darker over time. The H2O2, an O.A., accelerated the process of oxidation of the Mn(OH)2 ppte to dark brown/black solids i.e. MnO2(s). I think the gas is O2 as I believe some disproportionaltion of H2O2 was also occuring.

1(d) Pb and Sn are not on the syllabus, therefore are VERY unlikely to appear in tests and exams. (Some student may never have come across the properties of Pb and Sn before!).

For 1(d), you were supposed to add NH3 until excess – which always means after the hydroxide ppte has been made,: ‘try and make a soluble amine complex’

Aluminium can therefore be dosciunted as it won’t form a soluble amine complex but Zn will.

Hello, sir.
In exam when doing the papers, do we actually need to erase off all the pencil rough work on the questions, for example, brackets or lines under certain words(Personally, underlining is quite necessary for me when answering questions to highlight the key points).

Also, for mcqs, will there be another answer sheet for us to cross out our answers as what we had in intec internal examinations?in the questions part, are we supposed to do our rough work only at the bottom part of each page, or we can just scribble anywhere on that page?

Thanks!

continued…

It’s always been instructed that any words in the answers that have been wrongly written and need a cross-out, I should not make it messy. Is it okay to put two straight lines through them neatly?

Thanks again!;)

What exactly do “electronegativity” and “electropositivity” of an element mean? and what are the possible factors that could affect the magnitudes(unsure if I am using the right word) of the aforementioned terms?

#310, #311 & #312, Superman May 16, 2010 at 4:18 pm

Hi Superman :D

I don’t think you have to erase all underlined stuff in the question. Certainly I’ve never heard of such a thing before!

You are not supposed to highlight it or use gel pens or fountain(ink)pens as the highlighter (etc) can get through to the other page which MIGHT cause problems when the sheet is scanned.

Underlining reasonably lightly in pencil or biro {i.e. ball point pen} should be OK.

I can’t promise anything but I’m pretty sure you will NOT get a separate sheet for the mcqs. Instead you will probably have to use the ‘cross boxes’ given at the end of the question in the exam script itself.

INTEC give the detachable sheet to make marking easier for us.

As for rough work do it anywhere that isn’t going to ‘overlap’ with where your answers will go. If you need extra space for your answers then make it clear on the script where the other part of your answer can be found.

They usually hold a briefing for students in which all of this is mentioned and you can ask Q’s. Were you not briefed about all this?

As for crossing any wrong(etc) answers out a line or double line is ok. Even free hand. You are not going to lose marks because your freehand line isn’t straight.

Electronegativity is the attraction for a pair of electrons in a covalent bond. Electropositivity is a measure at which a pair of electrons is ‘pushed away’ in a covalent bond.. Note: the electrons are still there as the covalent bond is still there! Electronegativity for isolated atoms is meaningless… where is the covalent bond in an isolated atom?

Electronegativity and it’s definition is v. important and it makes discussion of it’s ‘kind of inverse’ i.e. ‘electropositivity’, rather unnecessary.

Things that affect it are nuclear charge and inner electron shells which shield out the nuclear charge. Similar considerations as to effective nuclear charge and things that effect ionization energy and to a degree electron affinity etc. The books should have a good discussion on electronegativity.

Chemguide is good for this kind of thing. I advise you give it a read http://www.chemguide.co.uk/atoms/bonding/electroneg.html

No, we were not briefed on anything about the exam answering techniques but only the rules in exam hall.

It’s said that in the calculations of the standard enthalpies,the states of the substances in the reaction are important, for eg, thh combustion of methane would give more energy if the product water was liquid rather than gaseous.
My inquiry is,in such STANDARD reaction,should the water produced always be in liquid or gaseous state?

The intermolecular London force is said to be greater if the size of the non-metal molecules are greater, is it because the CHARGE DENSITY is greater due to the greater number of electrons?

This doubt i about geometric isomerism. Let’s say 2-bromobut-2-ene, since there are altogether 3 different groups of atoms around the C=C bond(with two being the samd:CH3), E-Z naming system is hence employed.
Can it actually still be named using cis-trans naming system? Taking the E-isomer for example, is it a trans-isomer following the E-Z name or a cis-isomer since both the CH3 groups are on the same side?

Sir I have this confusion regarding intermolecular forces.
The information given in Pearson pg 161is actually kinda confusing to me.
In that particular page, it’s stated that “London forces/van der Waals” is a collective name for both “Instantaneous dipole-induced dipole interactions” as well as “Instantaneous dipole-instantaneous dipole forces/London dispersion forces” but in Rod Beaven’s Student Unit Guide pg 20, VDW includes “Permanent dipole-induced dipole” and “Temporary dipole-induced dipole”.The latter is also known as LONDON FORCES! and there’s no mention about instantaneous dipole-instantaneous dipole..Hence, confused..
What actually is the difference between London and London DISPERSION forces?In mark schemes of past papers it’s always been saying any one of those is accepted, it makes me have the thought that whenever a similar question is gotten I tend to just write London forces..

#314 Superman May 17, 2010 at 12:58 pm

I didn’t mean “exam answering techniques” what I meant was simple advice as to what to do in the exam, e.g. use black pen only, no liquid paper, write inside the border of the exam script etc., and those things are usually mentioned (even if just briefly) at the same occasion as the rules are being mentioned. Well, hopefully what’s already been discussed above will have served the same purpose. I don’t know if this is of use but check it out anyway, it’s pretty short:
http://www.edexcel.com/iwantto/Pages/tips.aspx

Physical states (or ‘phases’) are VERY important in enthalpy discussions. You are right, under standard conditions (25oC 1atm) the water would indeed by liquid, but from past experience, they give reaction equations which are not done under standard conditions, so watch out to see if the standard symbol is there and whether any unusual states are given for common compounds.

IMF (London dispersion forces or van der Waals forces) are larger with increasing non-metal size because the non-metal atom has more electrons, so the temporary, induced or degree of polarization will be greater. I personally would not be willingly use the term charge density.

Use cis-trans when you have (A)(B)C=C(A)(B) i.e. the groups either side of the C=C are the same. If you had (A)(X)C=C(A)(B) then you could probably use cis-trans and get marks for it – I don’t know of any guidelines on this – but I’ll try and check it out. (I think in the test I gave recently, I was really strict {maybe I shouldn’t have been?} and didn’t accept it). For (A)(B)C=C(X)(Y) you cannot use cis/trans. Hopefully as you can see, E and Z will in all cased clearly identify the geometrical isomer – which is why it’s a more powerful nameing system even if it requires a few more miliseconds to think about it.
For (A)(A)C=C(X)(Y) i.e. 2 CH3′s on the same side, you have to use E/Z and this would be a 2-methylpropene not a but-2-ene.

#315 Superman May 17, 2010 at 7:57 pm

The vdW and/or Ldf types are used in Rod Beavon’s book becasue there is an “induced dipole” there. the species undergoing the induced dipole therefore doesn’t have a H-bond o a permanent dipole. So it comes under vdW and/or Ldf. Another way to look at it is that we are not dealing with a mixture that has purely dipole-dipole interactions, so it doesn’t fit into that category.
There’s probably no menton of instantaneous dipole-instantaneous dipole becasue you are not showing an interaction here. An instantaneous dipole will cause a nearby species to undergo an induced dipole. You need to show the interaction.
You could say just London forces or vdW for instantaneous dipole-induced dipole. Just like water an ammonia are described as “hydrogen bonding” and bot “hydrogen bonding – hydrogen bonding” because the forces are the same.

Sorry for bad spelling etc. I’m really rushing.

I am really grateful for your reply and there’s no need to rush sir, the next paper will only be on this Friday. Yeah, those advice had been given in class.

For comment #314, I was actually referring to the Rod Beavon’s book page 64. And I am afraid that the exam question might ask sth freakish like asking for cis-trans name for (A)(X)C=C(A)(B). It’s given in that page that the molecule (H)(CH3)C=C(CH3)(Br) {both CH3 at top parts/sides} 2-bromobut-2-ene, are BOTH E-isomer and cis-isomer. Shall I follow this?
So if Edexcel isn’t mean enough to ask for freakish thing, I shall follow what you expected in the test you gave recently.

#215 As what I understand from your answer, I shall just ignore the instantaneous dipole-instantaneous dipole since there are no interactions.
And now London forces or vdw include both permanent dipole-induced dipole and instantaneous dipole-induce dipole forces. The former is for the interactions between polar and non-polar molecules whilst the latter is for the interactions in non-polar molecules and in single atoms only.
And in exam, I can always write London forces or vdw for almost all cases in which there’s no permanent dipole-permanent dipole interactions.
Hope I got the aforementioned whole thing correctly. Please correct me if I am wrong in any ways.=] Thanks loads!

If a question requires a dot and cross diagram for the bonding in an IONIC COMPOUND, say, MgCl2. Do we actually need to show ALL the electrons present of the ions including all in the INNER shells?I have this doubt because in trial exam I was marked wrong for drawing this (with brackets around each ion, charge being indicated outside on top right of the brackets, name of ions in the nuclei, and most importantly all the shells with electrons).and I was told not to show all the inner shells but only the valence electrons without its “line of shell”.
BUT in the mark schemes of unit 1 jan 09 apparently it’s the only answer given.
Here’s the link:
http://www.srepapmaxeeeerf.org/A%20Level/Chemistry/Edexcel/2009%20Jan/2009%20marking%20scheme%20complete.pdf

How should I draw?

Having said that all standard enthalpy changes must be in standard conditions, the states of those substances involved should be in STANDARD states or THERMODYNAMICALLY MOST STABLE states? Is it true that standard state is only for standard enthalpy of atomisation? I found this question strange, it rejects ‘standard states’. Is it because the water is meant to be in gaseous state (from question)so “standard states” cannot be mentioned but “most stable states”?
Salters nuffield unit 1 question b iii.Here are the links.

Mark scheme:Page 4
http://www.srepapmaxeeeerf.org/A%20Level/Chemistry/Edexcel%20Nuffield/2006%20Jan/6251_01_rms_20060125.pdf

Question:Page 3 Question 2 b iii
http://www.srepapmaxeeeerf.org/A%20Level/Chemistry/Edexcel%20Nuffield/2006%20Jan/6251_01_que_20060118.pdf

Hope to get your reply soon.

#317 Superman May 18, 2010 at 12:06 am

If they ask for the cis name it should be easy. Same if they ask you the E/Z name. But if they just say ‘name the compound’ without giving a hint as to whether it’s the cis/trans OR E/Z names they are looking for, then for A-level you can do either, but E/Z is always better IMHO. Beavon is right, the molecule could be called cis as well as E. They would probably only need one correct name. Only give both if asked for.

Yes ignore the term “instantaneous dipole-instantaneous dipole”. I’d aslo agree with you saying “permanent dipole-induced dipole and instantaneous dipole-induce dipole forces” are vdW / Ldf’s as one of the species in those pairs has no Hydrogen bond interaction or permanent dopile interaction, leaving only vdW/Ldf.

“And in exam, I can always write London forces or vdw for almost all cases in which there’s no permanent dipole-permanent dipole interactions.” That sounds good to me.

It seems you’ve now got a good strong grasp of these IMF’s. :D

#318 Superman May 18, 2010 at 11:00 am

MgCl2 is ionic. So you do the brackets, charge on the outside, and draw the ‘new outer shell’ for Mg2+ which is the n=2 shell. BF3 [Jan 2009 U1 Q4 a) i) is covalent. so you don’t show complete e- transfer but have the B circle overlapping with the F circle)
I think you might have shown it as ionic (complete e- transfer). Is that it?

#319 Superman May 18, 2010 at 3:45 pm

Re: Std states. As far as I can tell, when it says “NOT standard states it does not mean if the students put the actual standard states down i.e. (s) (l) and (g) then it’s wrong. LOL. It means if the students write exactly this QUOTE: “in their standard states” then it’s wrong because the students are not identifying what those states actually were. I think that’s what I means.

If standard conditions are mentioned. The 25oC and 1atm are present. So CH4 will be gaseous, Cl2(g) Br2(l) I2(s), H2O(l), NH3(g), CO2(g), benzene(l), CO(g), etc… Under those conditions, those states are the most thermodynamically stable states for those conditions.

Hope that helps :D

Hummmm
My Virus scanner is blocking me from getting onto http://www.freeexampapers.com/

#320 (#318)

1.Referring to what you said about the dot-and-cross for Mg2+ ion, I didn’t know I have to draw the following n=2 shell!I had always been thinking that since the original outermost shell has been lost there should be a Mg2+ without any dots/crosses around it. (As that was actually the answer given by lecturer for trial paper u1.) So I shall just follow what you said then.

2.If the question mentions “showing ALL the electrons” as I found in every related questions in all salters nuffield papers, do I have to show inner electrons?If yes, I need to actually draw circles with dots/crosses marked on it?

Thanks for the reminder that BF3 and BeCl2 are actually covalent compounds.

#320(#319)
“Under those conditions, those states are the most thermodynamically stable states.” That means “standard conditions” and “thermodynamically stable states” are of no difference.haha. I shall just put anyone.XD but I prefer the first one as it includes all.

Thanks again for your help. Please correct me if I make any mistakes.thanks sir!

#322 Superman May 19, 2010 at 12:53 am

Dear Superman.

1. At the top of this post I’ve put up a ‘snapshot’ of a typical draw a dot-cross diagram…” type question. This question has the word outer in bold. As the old shell, n=3, has gone, you should therefore show what is now the new outer shell, i.e. n=2. Thats the usual form of the Q as far as I remember. You can see from the mark scheme that it also accepts Mg2+ with no electrons, which is what you seem to say you did (yet got no marks for it -boo hoo-). Maybe your Lecturer disagreed with the M.S. on that point. I have some disagreement with it, so I could understand why it was rejected. Maybe your lecturer was in a bad mood? Hopefully you will realise that if you did show the n=2 shell you will not be at risk of losing the mark (according to the wording in this Q, so I’d advise you to stick to doing that, but remember, follow the wording of the particular Q given in front of you, it may result in you having to do somthing different to what we’ve discussed here!)
Actually I advise you to discuss the Q and answer with your lecturer, as here, I’m having to try and read their mind somewhat. Please go see them.

2. If it says ALL the electrons then do exactly that – show (where necessary) the n=1, n=2 etc… up to the point there you’ve reached the new outer shell.
They will probably give you small atoms or one small atom and one medium atom as they don’t want you to waste time drawing loads of crosses and dots.

3. Standard conditions and thermodynamically stable state are not the same. Say you were at 500K and 1atm. The thermodynamically stable state for water would be H2O(g). At 20K and 1atm, the thermodynamically stable state for water would be H2O(s). But at 298K and 1atm, i.e. standard conditions, then the state under standard conditions the thermodynamically stable state for water would be H2O(l).

#320(#319) Urgh..So unsure about this. Hence when we are required to write the definitions of STANDARD enthalpy changes, we could just write “……under standard conditions”?is that all? (as shown in every definition given in hodder book) And in fact, under standard conditions the substances are at their most thermodynamically stable states?

Thanks for your patience=)

Salam sir..

between Methanoic acid, and Ethanoic acid, which one is more acidic?

the argument is that ethanoic acid has an electron pushing group CH3, thus, increasing the electron density around the COOH, making it easier to remove the H+ (more acidic).

But then, i found that in an oxford book, its written there methanoic acid is more acidic, but they didnt explain why, except for the argument i just gave.

which do you think is more acidic then sir?

#324 Superman May 20, 2010 at 10:50 am

When required to write the definitions of STANDARD enthalpy change, ONLY write “……under standard conditions” IF you already described earlier what those standard conditions were. If you haven’t said what the std condns were yet, then, for standard delta(H) values, you should write “under condions of 298K and 1atm pressure”. I guess Hodder defined the conditions before it started giving that general expression: ‘under std conditions’.

Substances that have exchanged energy and equilibrated with their local environment will ALWAYS get to their most thermodynamic state. At 110oC and 1atm, H2O will become H2O(g). If I then apply conditions of -18oC and 1atm, eventually the water will form H2O(s). If I then apply standard conditions 298K and 1atm, then H2O(l) will be present. The respective H2O(g), H2O(s) and H2O(l) states were the most stable thermodynamic state for those conditions applied. I’m not too sure why you are ‘introducing’ this “most stable thermodynamic state’ consideration into this. I don’t think it’s necessary and it certainly doesn’t seem a typical or useful thing to do.

#325 | The smiley little girl May 20, 2010 at 11:31 am

pKa of methanoc acid (formic acid) = 3.75 [1]
pKa of ethanoic acid = 4.74 [2]
pKa of butanoic acid = 4.82 [2]
pKa of propanoic acid = 4.87 [2]
The smaller the pKa the stronger the acid.

Data sources:
[1]. Source:http://www.cem.msu.edu/~reusch/VirtualText/acidity2.htm
[2]. L.D.Wade Jr, Organic Chemistry Fourth Edition ISBN: 013010339-x

First off, methanoic acid, like all first members of holologous series has somewhat unusual properties (due to its v. small size).
In general, the more e- withdrawing substituents (e.g. Cl) on the hydrocarbon chain after the COOH group, the more acidic the acid the carbox acid will be. This is because it can help delocalize the charge on the resulting COO- by spreading some of its -’ve charge down the chain of the molecule onto the e- withdrawing substituent (e.g. as before, Cl). Remember alkyl groups display some e- releasing properties? e.g. 3o carbocations more stable than 1o carbocations?, so the longer the alkyl chain, the harder it is for the COO- to push e- onto the (weaklY) electron releasing chain. Methanoic acid only has a H coming off the COO- and so it is the least resistant against the COO- pushing its electons away.

Relative acidity amongst carboxylic acids isn’t on the specification. :D

#326
Okay, I think I have gotten a pretty clear idea about this, thanks!^^ I came across that “most thermodynamically stable states in Rod Beavon’s book”, hence the confusion. :s

;P thank u..

my friend keeps on insisting that ethanoic acid is stronger. so i thought i might ask u instead. ;)

Hi, sir. How many hydrogen bonds that can a water molecule form? How about hydrogen fluoride, ammonia and methanol? How about when methanol mixes with water?

A good question, one that students often ask.

If you draw one H2O molecule, you can draw 4 H-bonds to other water molecules nearby. Now, look at just one of those H-bonds. It’s shared between two molecules yes? on average then, for that partucular bond, that’s half a H-bond PER MOLECULE. Each of the 4 drawn bonds are like that. So 4 x 1/2 = 2. Water can make 2 hydrogen bonds per molecule.

When I tell students this they often don’t believe me! I’m not sure why. I tell them to draw 10 H2O molecules make the max number of H-bonds. divide the number of H-bonds by the number of molecues and you should get two. They rarely do seemingly prefering not to try it themselves but simply disbelieve me. Strangely, it only seems to happen on this particular issue.

NH3 and HF can do one H-bond per molecule.

Thank you so much, sir. Why HF and NH3 cannot form two hydrogen bonds just like water does since they have one lone pair and three hydrogen atoms? Between, how many double bonds does NO3- ion has? Is it true that it has one double bond, a single bond and a dative bond?

Sir, I have a question on the sample assessment material unit 2 mcq question 22 (b).
This question concerns the preparation of 1-bromobutane from butan-1-ol, 50% sulfuric acid and sodium bromide. The mixture was placed in a flask and heated under reflux for ten minutes.
The reaction mixture was distilled. The impure distillate did NOT contain SODIUM BROMIDE.why is that so?All the sodium bromide would react completely?

thanks.

For the same question as in #333, the impure 1-bromobutane was washed with concentrated HCL and shaken in a tap funnel with a base to remove acidic impurities. Which of the following would remove acidic impurities without reacting with the 1-bromobutane.The answer given is sodium hydrogencarbonate solution. I understand the reasons why the option of sodium hydroxide solution is eliminated, as the OH- would react with the halogenoalkane.But why is calcium chloride solution inappropriate?

#332 Sharon June 1, 2010 at 5:51 pm

Try and draw some HF molecules and correctly draw in all the H-bonds you can. You will see on average, there is one H-bond per molecule. NH3 turns out to be the same.

One way to think about it (Note this is a memory aid, NOT a correct explanation) is to use the conditons necessaty for H-bonding to occur, i.e. you need a lone pair AND a H bonded to N,O or F.

lp= lone pair

HF: 3 lp, 1 H
take a lp and the H away, leaves you with
2 lp. Therefore you can’t make any more H-bond with just 2 lp only.

NH3: 1 lp, 3 H
take the lp and the H away, leaves you with
2 H. Therefore you can’t make any more H-bond with just 2 H only.

H2O: 2 lp, 2 H
Twice, you can take a lp and a H away, therefore 2 H-bonds.

#333 Superman
June 1, 2010 at 9:19 pm

NaBr is an ionic compund with a very low vapor pressure – meaning almost none of the NaBr forms a vapour; under standard conditions of course. You can probably realise this by the fact {-typo corrected, many dry ionic salts have no smell. The energy to make it gaseous is too high to allow it to come off in a simple organic distiallation.

I would guess that “NaBr is ionic compound whose bpt is far greater than the temp used in the distillation, therefore does nt distill over” is likely to get you the marks.

Your answer that all the NaBr sounds ok at first, but leaves the possibility that you might think if there was some NaBr left over then it would have distilled off, so is not likely to get full marks.

#334 Superman
June 1, 2010 at 9:24 pm

Is CaCl2 (aq) basic? Would it react with any acid present?

Hi, sir, thanks for the answers to my queries.
I have a few more here..

1. The information about the thermal conductivities of graphite and diamond given in the textbooks are quite confusing.
Hence I wonder which of diamond and graphite is good in conducting heat energy?I came across a statement from somewhere that diamond is good in conducting heat, as the whole stiff lattice structure of diamond transmits radiation rapidly, is that so?what about graphite?

2.If we are required to draw an reaction profile diagram of a catalysed reaction, is it a must to show the energy level of the intermediate formed with the catalyst(reactant-catalyst complex)?is there a need for x-axis in this diagram?labelled ‘reaction coordinate’?the second hump should never by higher than the first hump am i right?

Thanks for your time and help..

#338 Superman 3 June 2010

1. To be honest I’m not sure about the thermal props of diamond and graphite. I have no (trusted) data.

Metals are said to be good conductors of heat due to their their delocalized e- being able to transmit kinetic energy (i.e. heat) throughout their structure.. In graphite those e- are pretty much stuck within the planes so perhaps like the electrical conduction, graphite may direct heat in one particular direction. OR the hear may dissipate by ‘waving’ of the planes. I simply don’t know and I can’t find it specifically mentioned in the AS syllabus, although Topic 1.6 (Bonding) 2.a.i might allow them to ask about it, but it would be extra mean and strange of them to ask. Topic 2.3 (Shapes of molecules and ions) part e makes me think it is unlikely that thermal properties will be asked for esp (as you can see below) as many books don’t mention it. Just in case however, read the Hodder entry (again below).

I had heard that diamond was a good conductor of heat which in the case of diamond HAS to be because of it’s lattice (that’s all there is in diamond!)

Pearson AS P150
“It [diamond crystal] is a poor conductor of heat”

Hodder AS P123
“Diamond conducts thermal energy very well – 5 times better than copper”

Richard Parsons AS Revision Guide (ISBN: 978-1-84762-124-5) P66
“…it’s a good thermal conductor”

AS Revision guide – no mention.

George Facer AS (2nd Ed) No mention

George Facer AS & A2 Revision Guide: No mention.

I think Pearson is wrong (another error in the book)

As for graphite, there’s even less mention of its thermal properties.

Generally thermal properties of the elements is not important, or should I say not as important as the electrical properties {of graphite}. I guess there are more important things that Edexcel would like to test you on with regards to bonding and structure properties.

2. As for the profile of a catalysed rxn, you have to show the energy level of the intermediate (catalysed or not) as it is central to the discussion and whole point of drawing the profile. Profile diagrams DO have an x-axis. As you correctly identified, it’s called “reaction coordinate” (or ‘reaction progress’ in baby talk). As for which hump of two (or more!) is the highest, it is usual to make the first hump the highest although really, the point is that any one of the humps in the catalysed reaction, which ever you draw as the highest, will be lower than any other of the highest humps in the uncatalysed reaction. That may sound quite horrible so to make life easy, draw the first hump in a cat. rxn. as the largest – unless the Q suggests otherwise {— which is not very likely

thanks for the previous reply.it’s a long answer.I shall read it slowly later..
Another short question,
why is cyclohexEne is a polar molecule?Is it due to the presence of C=C double bond?but the two doubly bonded carbon are the identical atoms, aren’t they?they why is there still a difference in electronegativities between the two atoms?=)

#340 Superman June 3, 2010 at 6:21 pm

Anything with uneven e- distribution will have polairy. The db in the alkene is e- rich acts as a delta(-) centre compared to the rest of the molecule. You wouldn’t just look at the C=C but the whole molecule. The regions of different e- density take place over relatively small molecule so even if just weakly polar does lead to an observable effect. Remember studying oils and fats? The significance of a db dimished when the molecules gets bigger so the oil/fat is said to be unpolar.

You called cyclohexene polar but it is probably very poorly polar relative to other polar solvents.

Hi, sir. For observation of the reaction between ketone and Tollen’s reagent, is it better to write no silver mirror is formed or blue solution remains unchanged?

HI sir I have this question from the Sample Assessment Material, Unit 4 question 20 (b)(iii)and (c).
This whole question is about deducing the formula of an organic compound from the information given which includes the spectra data and some chemical tests.
From all the subquestions before the ones I am asking, it has been told that this compound P, C7H12O
1.contains one C=C bond
2. is a carbonyl
3. is a ketone
4. is a Z-isomer
5. contains C=C, C-H, C=O.

(b)(iii)The mass spectrum showed the presence of peaks at m/e ratios of 15 and 29 but NO PEAK AT 43.
For the last information (NO PEAK AT 43), the only answer given is “no C3H7″.
BUT could CH3C=O be the answer too?
Should I include the POSITIVE CHARGE in these answers since the fragments in a mass spectrum always have one?

(c) Suggest a displayed formula for P which has a straight chain of carbon atoms.
The answer given is CH3CH2CH=CHCH2COCH3.
Personally thinking, I think the answer should be CH3CH2COCH=CHCH2CH3.

I include the link to the paper here in case you do not have but need to refer to the original question.=)thanks for your help.Looking forward to your reply soon.

http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20New%20GCE/sam-gce-chemistry.pdf

I think you have the paper but it’s for your convenience purpose.=) THanks loads!!

in Pearson A2 book page 256 Examzone unit 4 test 1 question1 b iv, it’s given a graph showing the variation of iodine concentration with time with a straight line of negative gradient. The question iv asks for THE LEAST NUMBER OF STEPS IN THE RXN MECHANISM, the answer you gave in this blog in NO INFO ON NUMBER OF STEP.
My thought is since the graph shows a zero order with respect to iodine which gives rise to the deduction that iodine is not involved in RDS,why couldn’t the answer be AT LEAST TWO, since the iodine must be involved in the other steps after the RDS?

Thanks alot!

I came across from my GF’s A2 book that in equilibrium expressions, when water is a reactant but not the solvent, the term [H2O] must appear in the expression for the equilibrium constant.
This sounds very vague to me, could you please give me an example of reaction in which the water could not be the solvent but just a reactant?
In writing the symbol for partial pressures in a Kp expression, can I just simply put a italic small letter p followed by the species in a bracket “()” with powers on its top right?I could see quite a number of versions at different books or papers(capital P with substances written as subcripts, rho symbol), hence the doubt.
Is state symbol necessary?

Hi Sharon.

When you refer to the blue solution, I think you are refering to Fehlings solution, a [Cu]2+ complex. It is different from the Tollens silver mirror test which uses a silver diammine complex, so don’t mention anything to do with blue. As for Tollens silver mirror test in the presence of a ketone “No siilver mirror” produced will be ok.

If you were using Fehlings solution and you had a ketone (while say, testing an unknown carbonyl) then “No red precipitate formed” would probably be fine. For edexcel U6B you would probably be expected to add “carbonyl cannot be oxidised” as well.

#343 Superman June 11, 2010 at 4:09 pm

(b) (iii) [CH3]+ and [C2H5]+ groups present. No peak at 43 means there is no acyl [CH3-C=O] present. Compound is a ketone but it’s not a methyl ketone! The lack of a peak tells you it can’t be CH3-C=O.

Yip. You MUST include a charge whne you write fragments. No charge means the fragment would NOT have reached the detector.

As for the structure/ It must have C=C (so 5 C’s left).
It has an ethyl group i.e. CH2CH3 (3 C’s left). It must contain a C-C(=O)-C ketone but not CH3-C=O so the ketone must have 2 C’s to one side of the C=O (that could be the ethyl group we just mentioned!). Stick these pieces together to agree with all the info.

I agree with you. On first inspection the answer they give appears to be wrong as it is VERY likely to give the peak at m/e of 43. Your answer is good but there is another variation which is the first (top left) one.

#345 Superman June 13, 2010 at 6:10 pm

From what you say, you might be right. I don’t have that Pearson book right now, but I’ll try and check it out ASAP. Perhaps it was because if the order w.r.t. the other 2 reactants was 2 each (i.e. overall order was 4) then the least number would have been three. The number of steps up to and inc. the RDS isn’t necessarily the least number of steps in the mechanism (as a whole)

#346 Superman June 14, 2010 at 3:36 pm

When water is a reactant, like all the other reactants and products, and it is a species involved with the reactions equilibrium, so should be included in the eqm expression. If water is a solvent, it does not take part in the reaction so isn’t included in the reaction eqm expression.

An example. A soluble alkene and Br2 water, Potassium permanganate with Fe2+, reaction of HCN with carbonyls,

For Kp expressions, my notation isn’t the standard notation (but shouldn’t lose marks!). for example partial pressure of H2 in the Haber process, I’d write (p H2)^3 for the reaction
N2 + 3H2 –> 2NH3.
The books would probably write p(H2)^3. the important point is DO NOT USE [ ] i.e. square brackets as they mean concentration and your not considering concentrations in Kp expressions.

A capital P normally referes to TOTAL pressure. Rho or small p means partial pressures. Both symbols are used in Kp expressions so don’t swap them around / don’t be casual about their use.

You are often advised in the Q about state symbols. If there is no guideance, then for Kp (and enthalpy, and entropy) expressions, PUT them in.

Sir in jan 2010 6CH04 Q24bii, it gives a reaction
CH4+H2O–>CO+3H2 deltaH= +210 kJ mol-1
The question requires an explanation, in terms of answers in (a) and (b)(i) as to why an increase in the pressure leads to a decrease in the yield.

(a)the expression for the equilibrium constant, Kp
(b)(i)state the effect on the value of Kp of increasing the pressure

The answer given is:
-mole fractions/partial pressures of numerator decrease(1)
-any mention of ×PT(squared) (1)

Could you please explain to me the first point given?I don’t get it.
I wonder why these are the only answers accepted as I would have written “The partial pressures of both the products CO and H2 increase by a factor of 4 and those of both the reactants CH4 and H2O increase by a factor of 2; the quotient becomes bigger and no longer equals Kp; hence position of equilibrium shifts to left, producing more REACTANTS to make the quotient once again equals Kp”.Okay?
THANKS!

Hi Sir! this is Pandora from 11M4.
I feel privileged to drop a confusion here. Could u help me to solve this question?
What is the volume in ml of 0.16M of KNO3 that reacted with 200ml of 0.24M of K2SO4 to produce 0.4M of K+ ion.?
Looking forward for ur reply sir.
I apologize whole heartedly if it troubles u in any sense.
Thank Q! salam~ =)

66.66 cm^3 ???

conc = moles / vol in L, moles = conc * vol in L

1 mole of K2SO4 yields 2 moles of K+
moles of K2SO4 in 200ml of 0.24M = 0.24 * 0.2 = 0.048 moles
moles of K+ = 2 * 0.048 = 0.096 moles K+

Final solution must have 0.096 + q moles
where q is the moles of K+ from KNO3
and
the final solution must have a volume of 200+p
where p is the volume of KNO3 added.
and
the final concentration = 0.4 M

So,
(0.096 + q ) i.e. moles,
divided by: (200+p)/1000) i.e. total vol in litres
must = 0.4 i.e conc.

2 unknowns. So try and express 1 unknown in terms of the other.

q i.e. the number of moles from KNO3 = conc KNO3 * vol in L
so substitute 0.16 *( p/1000) in place of q

Rearrange the equation to find p =

Actually I cheated. I used a spreadsheet and manually pumped in values to zero in on the correct volume :p

Thank Q for ur reply sir!
i was overwhelmed to get the method of calculations =P LOL.
but is this method known as the trial n improvement method in order to obtain the final answer?
is there any other method available?
btw,ur ans is correct,sir. ^^

P/s: i’m actually still trying to figure out the working principle of ur method…kind of new to me :-)

Personally, I find it slow-going when looking at many other people’s written explanations of ‘novel’ calculations, ‘cos I have my own style. Therefore, in these cases, I understand it perfectly well if my style is difficult for others to follow.

Do stick with working through the method though. I’m sure the clouds will clear and you will see a good method (but there may be more efficient methods – anyone???)

The spreadsheet used the ‘trial and improvement’ method yes – the process of iteration in programming makes such an approach reasobale. Actually, the spredsheet was the first way I developed which could yield me an answer. I did the algebra method (in the prevouis comment) afterward.

Actually it’s funny you say “trial and improvement”. When I was young (you know when people are old when they start saying “when I was young…”) we called it “trail and error”, but thesedays everything is cast in a ‘positve’ fashion.

What method did you do?

Hi sir, i better not mention on my method coz i’ve worked this question out for almost 1 hr++ but i couldnt get the correst ans…:-P tat is why i finally turned to u…LOL. hehe. i hope u dun mind as this sounds rather ridiculous…here’s another question tat i hd indulged for almost 3hrs++… LOL. sincerely looking for ur assistence

A compound of Ca, C, N, and S was subjected to quantitative analysis and formula mass determination, and the following data were obtained. A 0.25g sample was mixed with Na2CO3 to convert all of the Ca to 0.16g of CaCO3. A 0.115g sample of the compound was carried through a series of reactions until all of its S was changed to 0.344g of BaSO4. A 0.712g sample was processed to liberate all of its N as NH3, and 0.155g NH3 was obtained. The formula mass was found to be 156. Determine the empirical and molecular formula of this compound.

Ans: 1.2.2.1

Thk Q so much for ur time~ Salam =)

Salam 2 u 2. :)
I’m supposed to be preparing to go home too, so I’ll just drop you a line here to say that I’ll try and give you an answer later. But I will say that the Q’s remind me of a certain three questions that always came up which even the strongest chem studens had difficulty in doing. Those questions came up over a period of 6 years. I’ve not seen them for a while since, so maybe these questions are the new generation of mind zonkers! I’m going to call this set “Pandora’s Questions” ;)

Haha. Thk Q for tat awesome idea! =)
or maybe those questions were actually came out from “the Pandora’s Box’! LOL.
take ur time sir…hope to hear from u soon.
Glad the question was able to grab ur concern ^^ hihihi.

P/s: all intec students will be hving a great ‘Fruit Feast’ tmr at Kolej Cemara on 9pm. There will be more than 20 kinds of fruits waiting to whet ur appetite.. Pls feel free to drop by later… :-D
Salam~

I love fruit (but I love too much non-fruit too! – hence the developing ‘boroi’! Haha). It was better I stayed away from the student tonight after the test!

Looking at those elements Ca(SCN)2 comes quickly to mind and this has a mass of 156.3

I’ve calculated the % content of any sample by atom (perhaps the easy bit) and got for Ca 25.64%, C 15.29%, N 17.93% and for S 41.14%. Right now however my brain is once again ceasing to function. I’ll have to sleep on it.

But I don’t see how the ratio can be 1:2:2:1 for Ca, C, N and S (proveable by the fact that it would give a formula mass of 124.2). So perhaps that’s why you can’t get the answer…. because the answer is impossible.

Aaaah, sleep.

OK. Divide the % by mass by the atomic number as one would do for empirical formula calculations.

Ca 25.64%, C 15.29%, N 17.93% and for S 41.14%

divide by: 40.1, 12.0, 14.0, 32.1 respectively gives…
0.639 1.27, 1.28, 1.28
divide by the smallest number (0.639) gives:
1, 1.99, 2.00, 2.00
i.e.
Ca 1, C is 2, N 2, S 2

Thats empirical formula. The rest of the steps to molecular formula are trivial.
The molecular formula is Ca(SCN)2 Calcium dithiocyanate.

The key step is getting the % by mass for the relevent atom. You do this for each of the samples for the particular atom.

Thank Q for everything~ ^^

I forgot to offer you the spreadsheet that I used to calculate the initial % by mass numbers. Did you manage to do that or do you think you would want the spreadsheet?
p.s. It would porbably take some time to get to understand the spreadsheet I made.

Sir, i thought u wouldn’t wan to offer it to me…
but since u voice it out, i say, i would LOVE to have it!
Thks! =)

Here ya go. You’ll have to un-embed it. WordPress doesn’t like stand-alone spreadsheets!

http://intechemistry.files.wordpress.com/2010/08/pandoras-questions-1-spreadsheet-embedded.doc

Salam sir… ;-)
May i know what is the ‘hidden’ concepts n explanation for the following chemistry facts :
1) Exothermic compounds with very negative values of standard enthalpy change of formation are very stable and do not readily decompose to their constituent elements.
2) Endothermic compounds with very positive values of standard enthalpy change of formation are unstable and tend to decompose at normal conditions or on heating gently.
3) the standard enthalpy change of formation is only related to the energetic stability.
4) the value of standard enthalpy change of formation does not show the rate of reaction, which is indicated by the kinetic stability.
5) the longer the covalent bond length, the weaker the covalent bond.

*sources from “The Pandora’s questions”

LOL ;-P

1) The physical driving force for the way the universe works involves all physical entities (or objects) ‘giving off’ a special energy called entropy, symbol S. In the process, the ‘noticeable’ energy’ i.e. the enthalpy, symbol H, of these objects usually decreases*. There is a relationship between these two energy types.

As a very simple and general statement, we can say ‘things like to be low energy’. Let go of an object – see it fall and lower it’s energy. Objects already on the floor don’t suggenly start floating upwards an increase their energy. Hence when a chemical rection takes place, the enthalpy (noticeable energy) usually falls with the effect that more entropy is given off.

2) The answer is actually above. The products of Endothermic recactions have absorbed heat energy (i.e. enthalpy). They have the potential to release that energy again somehow; Often by coming into contact with a different molecule inducing the reaction, or by the supply of heat – inducing a decomposition reaction. Supplying heat overcomes a compounds ‘resistance’ called the ‘Activation Energy, symbol Ea) to undergo decomposition or/and reaction.

3) Well, yes, if it’s talking about the energy change, i.e. the difference in enthalpy, Delta(H). Delta meaning “a (large)change in”. The Delta H value is responsible for the therodynamic stability (I don’t think I’ve heard thermodynamic stability called energetic stability before which is very misleading). Thermo=heat, dynamic=in motion i.e. change.

4) If you supplied the Delta(H) to a compound it will not revery back its elements. This is because of the activation energy for the reverse reaction. It is bigger than the actication energy for the forwards reaction. Forwards or backwards, this energy must be present (sometimes you have to supply it) for a reaction to work. For an exothermic (forwards)reaction, the enthalpy needed to be put in to allow for the possibility for the compound to revert to its elements [actually a new compound is often formed instead!] is greater than the enthalpy given off in the first place. this is called kinetic stability. It can be discussed for forwards or reverse reactions. You should look at AN ENERGY PROFILE DIAGRAM to ‘see’ all this.

5) A bond is an attraction between the nuclei and electrons. IF the bond is longer, the e- are distributed over a longer distance. The attraction between the +’ve nucleus and the -’ve electrons is therefore decreased.

any errors/typos in this will have to be rectified later. I’ve not no free time left now.

* An abject can move to a higher increased ‘noticeable energy’, i.e. to a higher (internal) enthalpy, but the result will be that somewhere, this will be paid for by the release of a greater amount of entropy.
Note: You will study entropy in year 2.

Salam Mr. Allan~ ;)

A rather wild theory of mine:

We are taught that the third orbit of an atom consists of 3 subshells. First subshell consists of a 3s-orbital, second subshell has three 3p-orbitals, while the third subshell has five 3d-orbitals. The shapes of the five 3d-orbitals are dxy-orbital, dyz-orbital, dxz-orbital, dx2-y2-orbital, and dz2-orbital.

And my question is the “dx2- y2-orbital, and dz2-orbital” , could it be substitute in the form of perhaps either “dx2- z2-orbital and dy2-orbital” or “dy2- z2-orbital and dx2-orbital” ?

I apologize if this sounds dreadfully ridiculous to you. Hihi.
Happy fast-breaking. TQ~ ;P

It’s not a ridiculous question so dun wori :)
The x,y & z are axes simply act as a fixed reference point so that the shapes of the orbitals relative to each other can be discussed with ease.

If you wanted to, you could indeed orientate the atom so that the usual dz2 orbital could lie along the x or the y axis, therefore calling it the dx2 or dy2 orbital respectively. If you did this, all the remaining orbitals would therefore have to be relabelled as their electron density would now be orientated along different axes.

So we stick with one way of naming them for the sake of clarity.

salam sir,

how are you?^_^ i have a question here. it is on page 12 Pearson AS. it is in the second paragraph.” many chemical reactions do not involve ions.” could u pls explain this. i really don’t understand this statement.

thank you.

Salam Salha. I’m fine tq as I hope you are.

I’m guessing the author of that sentence is thinking something but didn’t really say enough about it to enable the reader to really grasp the thought.

The previous bit was explaining that reactions took place and ions were the product, so I think the opening sentence in para2 means ions don’t always have to be the product of a chemical reaction, that you can get covalently bonded products as well.

Glad to see you here. Please take maximum opportunity to use this blog over the next month to get all your queries resolved :)

ok….understand that…hahah..finally…
thnx a lot…i will, sir.

If you live locally, drop in and we’ll go through the test.

yup, i just live nearby..i’m coming to intec next week but it is for biology unit 6..however, i will inform u if i’m coming…that’s very kind of u offering that to me..^_^ thanks again..

sir according to george facer pg 228, almost nothing will oxidise hydrated Co2+ to Co3+ bt if Co2+ is complexed with ammonia, the oxidation can take place. So if Co2+ is mixed with sodium hydroxide will it be oxidised to Co3+?

The reduction potential for [Co(H2O)6]3+ +e- –> [Co(H2O)6]2+ is +1.82 V so to do the reverse, i.e. Co2+ lose an electron has a potential of -1.82 V meaning to get Ecell = +’ve then the other half-cell / redox reagent needs to have a reduction potential of > + 1.82 V, showing Co2+ is pretty resistant to oxidation. (MnO4- is about +1.52V !!) It also means, Co3+ is a strong oxidizing agent and can actually oxidise water to oxygen!

With other ligands other than H2O, e.g. ammonia, e.g. [Co(NH3)6]2+, this complex has a different reduction potential hence isn’t as hard to change to Co +III…
[[Co(NH3)6]3+ + e- –> [Co(NH3)6]2+ E=+0.1 V
A pretty big change compared to the aqua based reduction potential.
Passing air through the hexaammine complex will produce Co(NH3)6]3+ which are yellow.

Addition of OH- to Co2+ forms the usual metal hydroxide precipitate, in this case blue Co(OH)2 (s) and will stop there if you do nothing else. But if you add NH3(aq), the ammine complex will form which will oxidize in air.

hi sir..
thanks a lot sir.. frankly speaking i am really excited to see your reply.. your explanation is first class sir.. easy to understand and full of important informations..=)

salam

sir, how do we know which drying agent to be used in the purification of organic liquid?
as i saw in pyq, mostly accept anhydrous CaCl2 and in rare case, it rejects CaCl2.

and, how about anhydrous sodium sulphate?

Salam.
anhydrous Na2SO4 is usually used for drying liquids (like what we did (or some of ud did) after liquid-liquid separations) and is good for that purpose.

Anhydrous CaCl2 is better used for drying gases. Does that case match with when it’s accepted/rejected?

If, perhaps, CaCl2 is rejected when drying a liquid, it might be because the Ca ion or Cl ions that would be produced when absorbing the water, might react with something and form a ppte, e.g. AgCl or Ca(OH)2) or some other case like that. If you give me the Past years papers this comes from then I’ll check it out.

i dont remember which paper, but I’ll check back later

*hopefully i can know dat paper in instant with these all bunch of books and papers now*

From comment #19, you said that the presence of NO2 can be tested with a damp blue litmus paper. Facer only says ‘observe colour’ (unit 3). Can we use the litmus paper test? HCl(g) also produce the same results.

There are loads of things Facer doesn’t say.

The damp blue litmus paper was to replace testing any possible brown gas with starch/iodide paper. It wasn’t really supposed to be a definitive test for NO2.

I think because of the safety issue (bromine is very toxic), Edexcel tend to avoid talking about Br2 in laboratory practicals type procedures as being gaseous. So if you see a brown gas in a laboratory experiment context, it’s almost definitely going to be NO2, but you could test it with damp blue litmus to be sure.

Cl2 gas (not HCl) will also bleach damp blue litmus paper, but Cl2 gas isn’t brown. HCl gas also isn’t brown.

okay, thanks and noted.

Another question,
For HX (hydrogen halides), the bond enthalpy (i.e. bond strength) decreases down the group as the bond length increases ( with larger halogen atom down the group). This is why HI is more acidic than HF as H-I bond is more easily broken than H-F bond. Is my explanation correct?

Then how do we justify the trend in bond strength of C-F, C-Cl, C-Br and C-I? C-I is the weakest so it is most easily broken, therefore a ppt is seen fastest with the reaction of iodoalkane with NaOH, compared to chloroalkane?

thanks!

Yes. your explanation of H-X bond strength is reasonable, but you could ‘deepen’ it by talking about despite more protons in the latter halogens nucleus, the greater shielding of the greater number of inner shells AND the greater distance of the electrons in the covalent bond from the attracting nucleus caused the H-X bond to become weaker descending he group.

Use the what ever depth of explanation is required.

Exactly the same can be said of C-X going down gp. 7.

If you want to simply compare the rates of ppt formation (by visual inspection, and would have to be qualitative observations like at what time does any ppte first appear) I’d prefer to use H2O. OH- could still probably be used, but it would depend on the exact concentration of OH-, and if too strong, then the white AgCl ppte could well be seen to appear from the offset.

But none of this changes the fact H-X and C-F have the same trend and reason for the weakening of the -X bond.

Okie! :D thank you so much! =)

Sir, i wanna confirm a few more things:

1. Test for water
If use anhydrous cobalt chloride paper, water changes the colour of the paper from blue to pink. If anhydrous copper(II) sulfate, white to blue.

2. To calculate % yield, it is:
(MASS obtained in actual yield) / (MASS in theoretical yield) x 100
what i mean is that we use the MASS in the calculation, right?

3. You taught us that for ionic charge, use ‘+1′, ‘+2′, ‘-1′ etc; for oxidation numbers, use ‘+I’, ‘+II’, ‘-I’ etc. But in the marking schemes, i don’t remember seeing that they accept notations like ‘+I’, ‘+II’, ‘-I’ , but they didnt mention that they are rejected either. So can we use them (‘+I’, ‘+II’, ‘-I’ ) during exam for O.N.?

4. For the set-up of apparatus for heating under reflux (for any set-up for heating, in fact), we are required NOT to draw a one-piece apparatus. I suddenly got puzzled and worried over which of the two (‘left’ or ‘right’) is accepted. (I’m used to the Left one, but is that considered as one piece?) I posted the picture here:
http://chocoviolicious1808.tumblr.com/post/5663690551/heatunderreflux

Thanks!:)

Hi Xin Ling.

1) Yip. Those tests look good to me.

2) You can do mass or moles (being a ‘moley’ kinda person, I much prefer moles), sometimes one way is more efficient than the other. Possibly, the Q might steer you to answer by a particular way, but it would be rather trivial to do so.

3) Mark schemes have been in the past ‘flexible’ on this in the past, but please do what is correct, i.e., use Roman numerals for oxidation numbers and ‘arab/english’ numbers for ionic charges. My guess is that Edexcel are not too worried about as it may be confusing (?) for some Iodine and Vanadium oxidation states.

4) Use the one on the left, it’s better (no rubber or cork to get eaten away by solvent or degrade with heat) but it’s not really that important an feature. Why do you say you are NOT required to draw one-piece apparatus? What do you mean by one-piece apparatus and where did you come across that? Do you mean apparatus that ‘looks’ like it’s one piece? I’m pretty sure Margaret Cross (ex-chief examiner for chemistry) said drawing like that – the left hand side diagram – is OK even though “it looks a bit funny”.

for #3,
what do you mean that it may be confusing for some iodine and vanadium O.S.?

for #4,
okay, noted, no rubber cork. :) what apparatus set-up doesnt look ‘funny’ then? :D
From Facer AS 2nd Edition page 263, on the right of the figure for ‘Reflux Appparatus’, there’s a “examiner’s tips” box saying:
‘…the apparatus is made up of specific pieces … rather than one continuous piece of glassware.’ (Sorry for the confusion earlier.)
I’m worried about my left diagram does not show that its not a one continuous piece of glassware clearly enough.

I’ve come across a few examples of drying agents eg anhydrous CaCl2, anh. MgSO4, anh. Na2SO4, anh. CaO, & silica (gel). Can we use any of those in any cases or is there a specific agent for a specific experiment? Or perhaps is there one drying agent that can be used in all cases?

#3
I mean like the Oxidation state of iodide is minus one, i.e. O.S. of I- is -I and oxidation state of vanadium +5 oxoion is plus five, i.e. O.S. of VO2+ is +V, here the symbols have similar appearance to the chemical species.

#4 The best way I’ve seen to try it make like different pieces of equipment are shown HERE or at the top of this page. I’ve used colour coding to help you see what’s going on. Notice the female necks widen out and the male parts narrow in.
I think the “examiner’s tips” is there just to tell students at the already/potentially ‘funny’ looking diagram in the book that the diagram doesn’t show one piece but it may look like it. I don’t think it’s a kind of “if you draw it looking like one piece you won’t get any marks” so no need to worry. showing it as one is fine as its a quite well established way of doing it; The examiners will accept it.. Also when everything is fitted together with no air gaps, in effect, it does become ‘one’ piece of glassware.

As for the drying agent, it kind of depends on what you are trying to do and how much water is present. For example, if you had a non-polar organic compound that may have some small quantities of water in it, then you could use anhydrous MgSO4 as that substance (ionic) will not dissolve into the organic phase. If you were trying to dry a gas, you might want to bubble it through c.H2SO4 as it’s a liquid. You wouldn’t pass the gas over a solid, but you could use a solid drying agent in a desiccator, e.g. silica gel. If you are doing elimination of water (i.e. removing the elements of water from a compound and not removing ‘free’ independent H2O molecules) you could pass it overheated Al2O3 in a sealed tube. etc.,,

It might benefit you if you look look for cases where H2O is to be removed (chemically (e.g. elimination) or physically (e.g. drying)) and note the drying agent responsible.

Noted thanks!

for the drying agents (physical drying like drying an organic compound), i see there’re many possible drying agents like anh MgSO4, Na2SO4, CaCl2, CaO…all of those can be used in this case right? I am aware for cases like drying a gas by bubbling it through c.H2SO4, and heating with Al2O3. Maybe what i meant is more like when you have to add some drying agents during the separation of an aqueous layer from an organic layer (or vice versa) using a separating funnel, all those drying agents mentioned earlier (MgSO4, Na2SO4, CaCl2, CaO) can be used all the same, right?

Extract from Advanced Practical organic chemistry, 2E, By J. Leonard, B.Lygo and G. Procter Pub: Nelson thornes . ISBN: 0-7487-4071-6

5.3 Drying Agents, p55-59

Drying agents fall into two categories, those used for preliminary drying and the drying of extracts [At A-level, drying agents are almost 100% used for drying extracts. Other techniques to remove (large)quantities of water will be physical techniques, i.e. distillation, decantation, or liquid liquid extraction], and [secondly] those used for rigorous drying [< not covered at a-level]. The pre-drying agents are largely interchangeable with each other and the choice is usually limited only by the chemical reactivity of some of the reagents.

CaCl2
Both the powder and pellet forms are effective for pre-drying hydrocarbons and ethers. It reacts with [and hence isn't suitable for drying:] acids, alcohols, amines and some carbonyl compounds

CaSO4
It is only suitable for drying organic extracts.

Mg
Suitable for methanol and ethanol

MgSO4
The monohydrate [MgSO4.H2O] is fast acting and has a high capacity (forms a heptahydrate), making it the dessicant of choice for organic extracts. It's slightly acidic so care is required with very acid sensitive compounds.

Molecular sieves
These are sodium and calcium aluminosilicates which have cage-like lattice structures containing pores of various sizes, depeding on their constitution… after activation… they are probably the most powerful dessicants available.

P2O5 (or P4O10)
A rapid and efficient dessicant but limited by it's reactivity. It reacts with alcohols, amines, acids and carbonyl compounds. useful for drying acetonitrile and may be used for drying hydrocarbons.

KOH
A good drying agent for amines and pyridines but inferior to calcium hydroxide. Should not be used with base sensitive solvents.

Na2SO4
a weak drying agent, suitable only for drying of extracts. It is preferable to magnesium sulfate for drying very acid sensitive compounds

Thanks, sir! it’s very helpful :)

:)

5C2O42- + 2MnO4- + 16H+ 10CO2 + 2Mn2+ +4H2O
Eϴcell = +2.01V
Suggest why in practice, the reaction does not occur under standard condition.
Q1:Instead of Ea could it be because non-standard condition?.As, the reaction proceed more carbon dioxide formed thus increase the partial pressure of carbon dioxide. Hence, equilibrium position shift to the LHS.

Q2:Statement: oxides of transition metal in their lower valencies are basic and oxides of transition metal in their higher valencies are acidic.What is actually meant by higher/lower valencies?

forgot to say hi and as-salam sir..

#394, doctor, October 31, 2011 at 11:01 pm

Salam doc

Q1) If anything, the production of CO2 would favour the reaction (in a similar way that esterification is favoured using an acid chloride rather than a carboxylic acid, because for RCOCl, a molecule of gaseous HCl is given off rather than for RCOOH a molecule of liquid H2O is formed. This reaction will go to completion!

There is no indication that the reaction is done in a sealed container. If it was, then like the thermal decomposition of CaCO3 in a sealed container then it will NOT go to completion – however the CaCO3 does decompose to a reasonable degree, so the reaction “happening” is noticeable/measurable.

Also, E° cell=(RT/nF) lnK.
R=Universal gas constant 8.314 J K-1 mol-1
T = Temp in Kelvin
n = No e- in Redox process
F = Faraday constant
i.e. E° cell is proportional to K
so for E°cell = +2.01V you would expect a reasonable value of K, and as DeltaS = R ln K, you’d expect the reaction to be feasible (or spontaneous)

So it looks like the activation energy is what’s going to be grab the marks here.

Q2) “What is actually meant by higher/lower valencies?”
I think it means in their higher or lower oxidation states. But whether a t.metal <b<oxide is acidic or basic is not really that important (unless you are doing surface chemistry! – which at A-level you are not!).

The redox properties are way more important as is their their complexing ability. I’m pretty sure the t.metal oxide acidity/basicity is not on the syllabus.

ok sir,thanks a lot!!

assalamualaikum sir..
can you please explain why in the absence of it salt, a solution or weak acid does not act as a buffer solution when small amounts of either hydrogen ions or hydroxide ions are added.(i did not understand what the george facer’s answer scheme trying to explain on what happen when hydrogen ion is added)
*if you want to refer the question, its in GF A2(pg 119,Q28)

Salam.
It can act as a buffer but a very poor one.
For a weak acid, you know this: HA (H)+ & (A)-
the very small amount of A- that’s produced when the weak acid ionizes to a low degree, can actually react with any added H+.

On addition of H+ ions, the eqm will shift slightly to the LHS so we have less ‘free H+ ions’ than would be the case if there was no A- to absorb (some of) these protons, Therefore the pH will not fall as much as might be expected,.

But because the amount of A- is tiny, the small amount of added H+ is easily going to be overwhelmed/consume the A-. Once the A- is consumed, then there is no more buffering effect. The buffering ability here so small that has no real significance.

Hence buffers require a LARGE RESERVOIR of HA and the salt (which produced A- on dissolution i.e. on dissolving)

p.s. remember a good buffer has equal large amounts of salt and it’s weak acid (or base).

Hope that helps,

P.S. please ask in the correct section.
pH related Q’s should go here: http://intechemistry.wordpress.com/2010/09/23/4-7-acidbase-equilibria/
(I may move your Q and the answer to that spot later)
Thanks.

Hello sir.
What should i study for unit 3 and unit 6 paper ?
thank you

Dear Draco.

In the syllabus you will find the practical skills which you need to have theoretical knowledge of.

Unit 3: Lab Skills I Page 47
Unit 6: Lab Skills II Page 77
http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20New%20GCE/UA024832%20GCE%20in%20Chemistry%20Issue%204%20250510.pdf

Despite being from the ‘old syllabus’, this will probably also be of help to you:
http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20Curriculum%202000/264935_chemistry_session_2.pdf
and this
http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20Curriculum%202000/264936_3B_tables.pdf

Alternatively, you can buy this George Facer book which covers ALL th stuff for the new syllabus (Unit 3 code = 6CH07 and Unit 6 code = 6CH08):
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Edexcel-AS-level-Chemistry-Laboratory/dp/1444108433
I can order it for you if you can’t find it in Msia. It costs (with 8 day international delivery from the UK, about £18 (around RM90)

Also, get past years papers for Unit 3 (called 3B in the old syllabus) and Unit 6 (called Unit 6B on the old syllabus)

And of course understand ALL the practicals you did in year one and year two.

I will post this in the U3 and U6 sections.

Greetings, Sir

I am Fitri from ALUK 8. I have a question about Unit 2 in the latest trial exam. The question is 25(a)(ii) : Give two reasons why the sulfur in this form is removed from natural gas. My lecturer gave the answers as:
i – Preferential oxidation of hydrogen sulfide may occur.
ii – Oxides of sulfur may produce and cause acid rain.
My lecturer did explain about the answers but the whole class was unable to understand the concept. May you explain about what is meant by “preferential oxidation of hydrogen sulfide” and how it affects the steam reforming process, and how can oxides of sulfur be produced in the process?

Hi.
You know from unit 5.3 (standard reduction potentials) that it’s easier to oxidise certain species compared to others. So it’s possible the H2S was easier to oxidise than the CH4. [it's a possibility - I don't actually know the actual values involved]. If the H2S wasn’t removed it could interfere with the oxidation process of CH4 + H2O CO + 3H2.

OK, the amount of H2S is low so this won’t be too much of a problem, but the principle of a species interfering with the oxidation process and the fact that you don’t want loads of possibly problematic species contaminating your reactions (unusual products may form) or contaminating the final desired products themselves, was thought worthy of a mark.

Actually I think the fact that species containing S could poison the Ni catalyst was an answer too (and probably better)

Possible oxides from oxidation of H2S would be SO2 and SO3. If the factory processes a LOT of CH4 then a lot of these gases may be released (actually flue gas desulfurization technology – which strips S compounds out of wast gases is said to be usually used these days) and then acid rain would form
SO2 + H2O –> H2SO3 (sulfurous acid, a weak acid)
SO3 + H2O –> H2SO4 (sulfuric acid, a strong acid)

Hope that helps

Thank you so much, Sir! I will forward this comment to whole class!

Salam sir..there is 1 question that i can’t understand the answer

The recommended consumption of Fe2+ per day is 14 mg. The tolerable upper level of consumption of Fe2+ per day is 45 mg. The “10 mg iron tablets” produced by a pharmaceutical company contain between 9 and 11 mg of Fe2+. Discuss whether or not this range of iron content is acceptable

Answer :
1) it is acceptable because well below the max safe limit
2) not significantly different from recommended daily dose OR
variation in body mass means that different doses are acceptable OR
only if max 1 tablet per day is written on the bottle

what i understand is, recommended means min, so min mass that should take is 14 mg, but then the company produced max 11 mg. then how come it is acceptable?
tq

Salam erly.

I prefer “chemistry” questions. That one they hit you with isn’t really a “chemistry question”. As I’m a chemistry lecturer I can only guess at this, but don’t’ forget ordinary healthy food also contains iron! So the (single)tablet is acting as a booster to get to the minimum amount. A similar reason exists for why they don’t make a pill that gives the maximum dose as intake of ordinary feed after that will push you beyond the maximum level.

Getting back to the minimum level again. one can increase the dose by simply taking another table if one desires. to go above the min recommended. So in general single tablets contain a dose lower than the minimum recommended dose. Having a lower amount per tablet allows greater flexibility in prescriptions.

When you take tablets, you often take two or more, yes?

Hope that helps.

Note: This question is FAR better than the “Is testing pharmaceuticals on animals?” question, which if you said “No, because it is cruel to animals” you would NOT get all the marks – penalizing you if you sense if morality is greater than your sense of making a fast buck.

Thanks sir for the explanation. I found this in sample assessment material unit 5 which from edexcel. Sometimes I can’t simply accept the answer if I don’t understand how does it work. But to answer this kind of question seriously I think we need general knowledge, because as for me my answer is unacceptable.
Thanks again for explaining this question.

I totally understand what you say.

“to answer this kind of question seriously I think we need general knowledge,” – Very much agreed. It’s not a question suitable for A-level chem IMO.

The specimen papers are a bit weird. In some ways I think it’s a bit harder than the actual papers. There is a LOT of ‘explain’ type questions on the specimen – which actually isn’t such a bad thing for practice and the (kind of)model answers made available for those kinda Q’s is something to welcome.
So, sweet and sour I guess.

Suddenly I feel afraid that edexcel might change the trend in asking the questions because if I’m not mistaken in biology jan 2012,more question on suggestion. Hope everything will be fine for this coming exam. Thank you sir for all your comments and explanations.

They may change style true, but we can be sure that the stuff they will be asking about will not change – it’s still going to the content of the specification.

A different emphasis of the same material shouldn’t cause much problem if understanding of the knowledge is fairly sound. It’s why students should be able to explain and understand things from different perspectives, which doing millions of Q’s will have given you exposure to.

Best blessings to you for the forthcoming exams.

sir what r we supposed to know from the HSW??

Essentially it’s how the theoretical knowledge you learn gets applied. It’s best to expose yourself to as many of these applications as possible so you bridge the gap between “theory and application” more easily. E.g. redox fuel cell and I.R. and reduction of acidified dichromate all used in breathalyzers.

Salam…The standard enthalpy change for the reaction of calcium hydroxide with hydrochloric acid was found by reacting 0.0100 mol of solid calcium hydroxide with 50.0 cm3 of a 1.00 mol dm–3 solution of hydrochloric acid (an excess), in a polystyrene cup. The temperature rose from 21.2 °C to 26.7 °C.

1) If we replace the volume with 25 cm3 and 2.00 mol dm-3, they ask to predict the temperature change. Why the temperature change double? the volume is less by half while the concentration increase by half, isn’t this suppose to cancel out each other?
2) Why this second exp give the least error?
sorry sir, cannot understand this,cannot see the correlation

tq

If cream precipitate (AgBr) is left in sunlight, why precipitate darken? What i understand here is there is free radical of Br, they might combine together form Br2, Br2 is brown in colour, that’s why darken. But why it still in the form of precipitate?

141, erly.
1) The temperature will increase. The same reaction is taking place in terms of the number of moles of reactant, so the delta H must be the same.
delta H = m c delta(T).
‘c’ is constant and ‘m’ dropped in value (less volume of solution was used) so T must go up to compensate from the drop in ‘m’.

I don’t think T will double as this means ‘m’ in the second case was half the value of ‘m’ initially. I don’t get a sensible answer when trying to calculate ‘m’
i.e. x+50=m and x+25=0.5m

It only works if x=zero. i.e. volume of Ca(OH)2 solution is zero. So why it ‘doubles’ I don’t understand :( how it could possible double (unless the Ca(OH)2 was solid perhaps, but we are told the hydroxide is in solution)

2) Actually i always feel a bit ‘uncertain’ about these questions :s. I would guess it’s because the error in the thermometer reading for a higher delta(T) is less than the error in reading the thermometer over a lower delta(T) reading.

It’s likely the emphasis of this reaction isn’t Br2 formed, but the Ag in AgBr.

Like photochromic lenses, I think the light allows the Ag atom in AgBr to take an electron from the Br atom in AgBr, forming Ag(s) i.e. precipitate. Can you remember Tollens test? Sometimes the Ag doesn’t stick on the test tube so you get dark solids suspended in the aqueous phase.

Question on unit 3B jan 2010 if i’m not mistaken. Thanks sir, I will re-check about photochromic thing :)

salam sir,
1.what should we write for observation of primary or secondary alcohol when using acidified potassium dichromate solution..either from purple to colourless or purple to pale pink?beause you’ve mention in class that we should write purple to pale pink,but then the marking scheme for most past years is from purple to colourless.
2. why we should collect any distillation product by +/- its boiling point rather than at its fixed boiling point.i’ve come across with this question in sample assesment but don’t know the answer.

Salam.
1) When using acidified potassium dichromate solution you would see an orange solution turning into a green solution.
- When using acidified potassium manganate(VII) you would see a purple solution going colourless. [You don't have a high enough concentration of Mn2+ or a big enough pathlength to see the pale pink colout of Mn2+]
If they ask you the colout of Mn2+(aq) then you give the answer pale pink.

2) I think it’s safe to answer +/- 1oC from it’s boiling point. I don’t think the reason why will be asked for or discussed in the books, but if you studied fractional distillation you may have a better reason why it happens. Essentially a mixture of compounds when it boils will contain both substances. One is carried over with the other – like in steam distillation, so basically, if you only collect the substance at it’s bpt, you will lose some of the compound.
So collect at +/- 1oC from the bpt to ensure a good proportion of the desired substance is recovered from the mixture.

Salam Sir,
I come across the part about fullerenes in Shape of Molecules and Ions in Unit 2. I am wondering about the electrical conductivity of fullerenes.
Some people (including in Pearson book) mention that fullerene is good conductor of electricity because each carbon atom is covalently bonded to three other carbon atoms, so there is a delocalised electron from each carbon atom to conduct the electricity. However, my lecturer said to me that although it happens to be so as above, the delocalised electrons cannot move between molecules of fullerene to conduct the electricity, so it is poor conductor of electricity. Which one is correct?
One molecule of fullerene is formed from a large number of carbon atoms, which is up to 60, 72 and so on. So, does fullerene have the simple covalent structure or giant covalent structure?

Salam.
This paper says PURE fullerine C(60) is an insulator x10-12 Sm-1

My mind had previously thought this:
In the solid, C(60) molecules may be in close proximity, i.e. almost touching each other, so they should they can conduce across multiple fullerine molecules.
But
given that C(60) is not a conductor it MUST mean either 1) The C(60) molecules are not in fact close enough to each other 2) The electron density is concentrated in the centre of the C(60) where the p-orbitals are closer to each other than on the outside, or both 1) and 2)

The nanotubes however are regarded as being good conductors.

I would describe it as simple covalent as the molecule or buckyball as it’s sometimes called has a definite number of C atoms in any particular fullerine molecule. You can’t get 61 for example. In giant structures to can keep adding atoms to build on the repeating structure. If you had 61 C atoms from a C(60) molecule, you would no longer have the same structure.
(But I would say nanotubes are different – as they don’t have to have a specific number of atoms in them – their ‘ends’ can be ‘open’ and hence continued)

Thank you. For now, I just stick to the point that fullerene is not good electrical conductor. And I got a clearer picture on what is meant by ‘giant atomic structure’.
I am sorry, but I have other questions.
1. I come across the terms ‘giant covalent structure’, ‘giant molecular structure’ and ‘giant atomic structure’. Which one is the best to describe the covalent structure in diamond and graphite, or actually, all the terms are actually the same? I am quite worried to use ‘giant atomic structure’ in referring to diamond because I thought that diamond is made of molecules (since the carbon atoms are covalently bonded), but why the term use ‘atom’ instead?
2. I got confused with the permanent dipole-permanent dipole interaction. Does interaction occur between d+ in a POLAR MOLECULE and d- in another POLAR MOLECULE, or between d+ in a POLAR BOND in a molecule and d- in POLAR BOND in another molecule? In non-polar molecule with polar bond such as CCl4, it has d+ and d-, so why not the molecules interact together by permanent dipole-permanent dipole interaction? Is this because the dipoles cancel each other, so the effect of d+ and d- is not experienced by the adjacent molecule?

#424 Fitri, May 7, 2012 at 5:54 pm

1) diamond and graphite = giant atomic. You could even say giant covalent. You don’t have molecules (packets of a fixed set of atoms) so you can’t say giant molecular. Diamond and graphite are not made of molecules. If you think it is, then give me the molecular formula of a diamond molecule. Diamond and graphite don’t have one, correct?

Giant covalent is a general term not specifically saying whether the covalently bonded structure is made of atoms or molecules.

2) permanent dipole-permanent dipole interactions mean two species with a BUILT-IN area of uneven charge distribution in their structures (caused by electronegativity differences between atoms). Chloromethane is an example, propanone is another.

“interaction occur between d+ in a POLAR MOLECULE and d- in another POLAR MOLECULE” yes. You do NOT mention the polar bonds. Like O=C=O has two very polar bonds, but the molecule as a whole is non-polar so you don’t get dipole interactions between the molecules, only London dispersion forces – that’s why CO2 is a gas. It is tempting to think of it in terms of the polar bonds, but don’t, it’s polar MOLECULES that count. With CO2 as with CCl4 you mention, It’s difficult to explain why polar bonds aren’t the thing to consider. And I’m not sure I am able to explain at a simple level why (and I’d struggle at a higher level – other than just talk about it in terms overall dipole vectors cancelling). Sorry. So just try and think POLAR MOLECULES.

Hope that’s of some help

ok..thanks sir..i think you have mentioned the reason when i asked you in class before this..just forgot the explanation..oh yes,just noticed that i type for potassium dichromate solution instead potassium manganate..ok thanks again sir..:)

Thank you sir! I understand now. I think it’s enough for our level.
Sir, I have questions for unit 3b.
1) If we calculate the mean titre, do we need to give the answer to the nearest 0.05 cm3? For example, in the titres 25.25 cm3, 25.30 cm3 and 25.25 cm3, the calculated mean titre will be 25.27 cm3 but it should be rounded up to 25.25 cm3 (according to Pearson). If I leave my answer as 25.27 cm3, will i get penalised? To be on the safe side, which one should i use?
2) What the range for the difference between two titres to be regarded as concordant? Is it 0.1 or 0.2 cm3?

#427, Fitri, May 8, 2012 at 3:14 pm.
1) I would advise you to round.
The average of 25.25 cm3, 25.30 cm3 and 25.25 is up (or down). = 75.8/3 = 25.26666
Round to the nearest 0.05 therefore 25.25 is your answer.
Will you be penalised if you write 25.27?
I don’t think you will, but I am not able to set edexcel standards on the matter.

2) As far as I know it’s always been +/- 0.20 cm3
Note NOT +/- 0.2 (without the last zero) !!

salam sir,hope u can help answer this question before tomorrow.lol.in one of the past yrs, they asked,
Add aqueous
barium chloride
solution to an
aqueous solution
of B, a white ppt is produced.

The precipitate could be either X or Y

then the answer said its only either barium sulphate or barium carbonate and they REJECT barium sulphite.can u explain y they reject the barium sulphite as the answer as I thought barium sulphite also cause a white ppt?

Not the appropriate place muja… !
Please post in the correct year and month.

Salam sir..can you explain about this question

Suggest and explain whether you would expect the value for the enthalpy of atomization for potassium to be more or less exothermic than that for lithium

Do we need to consider this is endo or exo reaction? can we explain in term of bonding like metallic bonding? or should explain in term of boiling /metling point as the definition is when 1 mol of gaseous atoms is formed

tq sir…

if i’m not mistaken that question is end of sem 2, May 2011
the answer that lec gave = enthalpy of atomization for potassium is more exothermic due to metallic bonding as potassium is bigger

Oh dear. I advise students to RTQ3, and I think I should RTQ3 myself because I misread your Question for Ionization energy instead. adoiiii ! So sorry erly.
OK. If it’s an semester exam I’ll try and answer tomorrow. My bad :(

#431, erly, May 11, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Yes, for enthalpy of atomization, you take a substance and break ALL bonds so that 1 mole of atoms is produced. For potassium and sodium, as you’ve correctly identified, it involves breaking the forces of metallic bonding. How to do this? Well for these substances it will happen when you boil it, then you will get free single atoms.

Note: Boiling would not be delta(H)atomization for covalent compounds as boiling them would simply break the intermolecular forces between the molecules and the covalent O-H bonds would remain intact. In this case we would end up with gaseous H2O molecules. Metals however only have metallic bonding so boiling a metal will overcome ALL forces holding the particulates together.

As you work your way down group 1, the mpt and bpt decreases as the metallic bond weakens. (can you explain why this bond weakens?) hence the energy needed to overcome the forces holding at metal atoms together decreases and ΔH(at) for K less endothermic than that for Na.
Or if you prefer…
ΔH(at) for K more exothermic than that for Na, but it’s still very misleading as you still need to put energy in so is actually an endothermic process.

metallic bonding depends on charge and atomic radius. down the group radius increase but the charge is the same, so the bond is getting weaker. is it? :-)

Sounds good to me, although perhaps ionic radius would be a better description as in a metal, metal cations are surrounded by a sea of their delocalized electrons, but you have the idea.

oic..hehe..thank you sir..i’ll remember this Insya-Allah..thanks

hello sir, if the total error for a weighing balance is given to be +- 0.01 g and the weighed mass to be 2.1 g, do we need to multiply the 0.01 by 2 when calculating percentage error? what will your answer be sir?

How can you have an error of +/-0.01g when you have a reading of 2.1g? The question doesn’t make sense.

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