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5.3 Redox and the chemistry of the transition metals

Posted by: intechemistry on: September 23, 2010

Photochromic lenses (sometimes called transition lenses) P.S. The visual manipulation in this commercial promotion video below is highly questionable, but thanks to them for the more scientific bits in the video.

PEM fuel cell (Anode is where Oxidation [loss of e-] takes place)

Another hydrogen fuel cell video: P.S. the processes AT or IN the cell may be clean and efficient, but the process as a whole may not be clean and efficient – as the hydrogen gas must be manufactured. It is often made from natural gas so is actually fossil fuel dependent.!

One more:

Ethanol Fuel Cell (Often called the Direct Ethanol Fuel Cell)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Direct-ethanol_fuel_cell

Direct Methanol Fuel Cell (analogous to the ethanol fuel cell)
http://www.fctec.com/fctec_types_dmfc.asp

I must say, it’s worrying that all these things are being promoted as if they are the solution to mankinds energy needs. They don’t seem to discuss any of the major problems involved with them. Beware of these “scientific” claims !!!

How Intoxilyzer Breathalyzers Work

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Transition metal Chem:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sFAGQLokym4

Testing cation – iron(II) with NaOH = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VHLYpiY6-HI&feature=related
(Dirty green ppte is not easy to see, looks black – too much intensity/colour density)

Testing cation – iron(III) with NaOH = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AKTUVQZFldI&feature=related

Chemistry experiment 9 – Cobalt complexes

Reaction between nickel(II) + ammonia
[Ni(H2O)6]2+ + N3(aq) –> No(OH)2 a blue ppte + excess NH3 –>  blue solutopn [Ni(NH3)6]2+

Nickel complexes
(cocktail shaker video of unusual-to-find-at-A-level complexez)

Copper 2+ (aq) ions with ammonia solution
(first just a small amount of NH3, then an excess)

Testing cation – Zinc 2+ (aq) with aq NH4 = http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PYs8H16WNfs&feature=related
(initially a small amount of NH3 added Zn(OH)2 (s) forms, then excess NH3 is added)

13.2.5 Describe and explain the formation of complexes of d-block elements IB Chemistry
(‘talk’ based video)

Transition metal Chem Sat 9th Oct << To cover the theory

Hodder answers transition metal Review Questions p178-9


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93 Responses to "5.3 Redox and the chemistry of the transition metals"

thank u very much for the notes :)

pleasure.

Salam sir..

do we need to know the exact conversions of a metal complex upon deprotonation?

does the size of the ligands affect the number of ligand attached to the central metal ion?
=D

Salam sir…

How can we calculate the charge of the metal complex?

#3 | Amirul Arif, November 1, 2010 at 2:08 am

Salam.

Yes, and you should be able to write equations for the successive deprotonations up to the hydroxide precipitate. Not only that, but if the compound is amphoteric, be able to give equations for the dissolution(dissolving) of the hydroxide precipitate to the ionic hydroxo complex. Know the colours of the initial hexaaqua comples, the ppte and the final hydroxo complex, e.g. [Cr(OH)6]3- (aq) is a deep green solution.

Also know that the +3 ion aqua complexes auto-deprotonate e.g. [Cr(H2O)6]3+ (aq) contains [Cr(H2O)5(OH)]2- (aq). Fe3+ does this too, and you can assume V3+ will too.

#4, Amirul Arif November 1, 2010 at 3:45 pm,

The charge on the complex is the sum of the ionic charge of the metal plus the sum of the charges of the ligands. I have the feeling the queston you asked isn’t actually describing the problem you had, but I may be wrong. Do you have any specific examples?

Hi sir,
For the colour of transition metal complexes, it is due to the slpitting of d-orbital or d-subshell? I m confused.
Some past years give answers that both are accepted. So??

You will NOT find in your books or mark schemes respective use or acceptance of the term ‘splitting of the d-orbital’ (i.e. in the singular). Double check if you don’t believe me.

If your in madly in love with orbitals then you can say “d orbitals” but if you forget the ‘s’ then you may be penalised. If I’m marking, you WILL be penalised. Experience shows Malaysians are very bad when it comes to the correct use of the ‘s’ at the end of words, so using my fave, ‘d-subshell’ will aviod any potential problem.

Advice: Say: d-subshell.

The reaction is actually pretty complicated. In reality this reaction is very messy: Lots of things are produced and lots of reactions happen. I think it’s OK to write it like this as a kind of summary of the overall reaction:

8HI(g) + H2SO4(l) –> H2S(g) + 4H2O(l) + 4I2(s)
Ref: New Understanding Chemistry for A-level. Lister and Renshaw 3rd Edn, p211.

But you can write other equations like equations that yield sulfur if you insist. It’s not likely they will ask you for the HI reaction (or NaI or KI) reaction with sulfur for the reason above – it’s complicated. They are far more likely to ask you for equations for the HCl (or NaCl or KCl) reaction and HBr (or NaBr or KBr) reaction.

thank you sir…

As to how to know the charge of the metal complexes,i think now i have a better understanding about it…

one last thing sir, is it dative covalent bond or covalent bond that is actually involved in the metal complexes?

eg; [CuCl4]-

Best to call it a coordinate bond (the other name is a dative covalent bond)

Don’t call it a “covalent bond” as each atom involved with the bond did NOT contribute a electron each. It’s a dative covalent bond because the two electrons in the bond came from the same atom (on the ligand)

thank you sir =)

salam sir.

dush!sir, is it ok for me to define d-block element as element in which the last electron being added to the atom in the element is into the 3d sub-shell, instead of saying :

‘d-block element is an element in which it differs from the previous element by an electron in the d-subshell’

me again.dush!sori sir for causing you any troublesome

in the hodder review Q regarding the chemistry of t.metal, they can undergo oxidation.

i just wanted to know HN3 in [Co(HN3)6]^2+ stands for what compound?

#13, hidayah10M2, November 6, 2010 at 8:57 pm

Salam.

Either description of a d-block metal is ok, but I don’t think you need to know the definition of it as there is no definition requirment for it in the specification.

As for HN3 it’s going to be a typo (mistake) of NH3 (an ammonia ligand). I’ve checked p178 and 179 of Hodder but can’t find anything to do with Co. Where did you see it? [Co(NH3)6]2+ is mentioned on P177 but doesn’t have the N and H swaped around.

the HN3 is in the suggested answer given.so,i thought it’s a compund ive never met before.

ok,then thank you sir

Aaah. If it’s the ‘suggested answers’ then it’s my typo. Thanks for pointing it out.

Sir, what does it means when Ecell is put this way?
2V(3+) (aq) + Sn(s) –> 2V(2+) + Sn(2+) has Ecell<0

I’d say it means tin is unable to reduce vanadium+3 ions to vanadium2+ ions. A quick look at the reduction potentials should clarify

V3+ to V2+ = -0.26V (p14 databook)
Sn2+ to Sn(s, white) = -0.14V (also p14 databook)

The spontaneous reaction therefore is (swap the vanadium equation)
V2+ + Sn2+ –> V3+ + Sn(s).
The reverse reaction has cell = -’ve so it won’t happen.

salam sir.

do we need to know the reaction between ethanedioate ions and manganate(VII) ions?

Salam.
In terms of being able to write balanced redox equations I would say you have to be able to ‘work with’ these two species but I really doubr you have to ‘know it’ in terms of knowing/remembering the exact products formed.

So if you have to do a redox equation involving those two species, they’d probably tell you the products and you just balance it from there. It may also be used in a quantitative REDOX equation.

sir,

if given 3 reactions; which 2 of them are reductions and 1 oxidation. if we use the swapping method, does it means that we have to ignore the oxidation reaction given in the question? (as now there are two oxidation reaction)

Dzatil, without knowing the question, I can’t say for certain. There isn’t a ‘fixed’ rule can be applied no matter what question is asked.

If you could give me the question or an example it would help me explain what to do. For now, I hope telling you what to do will help you answer your own question….

At A-level, the questions should give a pointer which equations are necessary to be used. If more than two equations are needed, then take them two at a time. One has to be an oxidation, the other a reduction.

Maybe an example will help. e.g. To what extent will Zn(s) be involved in the redox reactions with the oxo-cations of vanadium?
data:
Zn(s) —> Zn2+ (aq) + 2e- E(std) = +0.76 V
V3+(aq) + H2O —> (VO)2+(aq) + 2H+ + e- E(std) = -0.34 V
V3+ (aq) + e- —> V2+(aq) E(std) = -0.26 V
(VO2)+(aq) + 2H+(aq) + e- —> (VO)2+(aq) + H2O(l) E(std) = +1.00 V

So we have to choose Zinc and the vanadium(V) half equations. Do so one at a time. To work in a systemaic fashion, lets choose the vanadium half-equations starting from +V oxidation state and working our way to the +III state . Pair up Zn and Vanadium – this menas we will get 3 reactions equations.

Make sure one reaction is an oxidation and the other a reduction (doesn’t really matter which is which). Then add. Look at E(std)cell. If positive it’s feasible, if negative then the reverse reaction is feasible,

There are some ‘fancy’ reactions with one O.A.’s in combination with two R.A.’s (an example of this is K2Cr2O7 in aq. H2SO4 with a primary alcohol. The 1o alcohol is a R.A. and the aldehyde it forms will act as a R.A. also!), but it’s easier to do the half-equations by doing successive pairing up of two half-equations

salam sir..

i still don’t undrstnd how we will know the number of ligand bonded to metal ion..for eg: why [CrCl4] instead of [CrCl6]?

and does stronger ligand will always absorb range of yellow-orange light?

Salam.
You are not expected to be able to deduce the number of ligands around any particular metal atom, but you will be expected to memorise a few.

The general rule is: The metals are hexadentate and when it comes to monodentate water ligands, hexaaqua complexes form. tetra anionoic EDTA is hexavalent and so only 1 EDTA will bond to a metal.

You are expected to:
“recall the shapes of complex ions limited to linear [CuCl2]-, planar [Pt(NH3)2Cl2], tetrahedral [CrCl4]- and that copper with ammonia added, is in the form of [Cu(NH3)4(H2O)2]2+
Remember also [CuCl4]2- forms from the hexaaqua complex. The hydroxide precipitates have the same number of OH’s as the oxidation state of the metal. If amphoteric will give 6 OH’s apart from Zinc which has 4OH’s. I think that covers it, in fact probably goes a bit beyond! Check the Syllabus p31 and 32 for exactly what you need to know.

Actually make a table out of the ions and you will see it’s not too difficult to memorise common ions that have coordination number less than 6.

salam alayk,

sir,

actually i don’t know where to put.. but here i think it’s ok

just now i read about dative bond in George Facer.. pg 120 last paragraph

copper(2) ion only gives colour when it is hydrated.. is it true??? i thought that the coloured compound formed because of the ion…

forgot… i read GF AS

Facer means anhydrous Copper(II) compounds e.g. CuSO4(s). We are more used to seeing and using CuSO4.5H2O(s) {incidentally, sometimes called bluestone}.

CuSO4.5H2O(s) contains water LIGANDS. There are no LIGANDS in anhydrous CuSO4. Its the ligands that cause the d-subshell to split which consequently allows d-d transitions to occur which in turn is responsible for the colour.

Remove the ligands and Cu(II)’s ligands and the d-subshell is no longer split and so d-d transitions cannot occur.

If you heat CuSO4.5H2O(s) witha Bunsen flame, the bolue colour gradually turns white as the water is driven off. Over time it goes blue again as the watervapor in the air rehydrates the anhydrous compound.

Hope that helps.

Salam sir…

What are the factors affecting the number of dative covalent bonds can be formed on a particular t.metal?

Salam.

A few factors, the most important being:
Whether the process has deltaS(tot) > 0

The above can be broken down into smaller considerateions e.g.
1) The size and M-L bond strength of the existing/previous complex
2) The rate of ligand exchange
3) The size and structire of the ‘incoming’ ligand and the outgoing ligand
4) The charge on the complex to that of the ligand may also be a factor, although I’ve never studied that relationship.
5) The presence of particular EM frequencies.
6) The existing occupancy of the t.metals d-subshell
7) The concentraion of the incoming ligands (eqm effect)

& probably a few more

thank you sir

hi sir, my roommate and i met this question and we were stuck:

Give an equation showing that chromium (III) chloride is acidic.
Explain why CrCl3 is more acidic than CrCl2.

thanks! :)

chromium (III) chloride
CrCl3(s) + H2O(l) = [Cr(H2O)5(OH)]2+(aq) + (H+)(aq) + 3Cl-(aq)

It’s a ‘disguised’ variation of this version of the equation, which you probably know:
[Cr(H2O)6]3+(aq) + H2O(l) = [Cr(H2O)5(OH)]2+(aq) + (H+)(aq) {spectator Cl- ions not shown here}

Remember 3+ ions in solution polarise their water ligands a lot (small size and high charge on the t,metal cation) so a water molecule {a v. weak base} just outside the complex can deprotonate the aqua ligands leaving an OH behind. The charge on the complex drops by 1 to become only 2+

I hope you and your roommate are no longer stuck. If you get stuck again try that ‘shakey leg’ thing ;)

haha!! thanks a lot sir! :D yup, understand it much better now:) lol, shaking legs wont help me understand this better i guess…;)

lol

Sir, i refer to Winter 1999 CH1 paper question 1(e) iii. The question asks for a formula for the cobalt complex ion present in excess concentrated NaOH. To my knowledge, Co(OH)2 is not amphoteric, so how can it dissolve in NaOH ?

Ans of MS : [Co(OH)6]4-

Xavier. Again, your progression through the simplified world of A-level chemistry has uncoverd another weakness in these A-level models. Amphoteric or not is way too ‘binary’, at a higher level of knowledge, the boundaries often become blurred sometimes. This A-level specification tries to just point out the ‘easily seen’ amphoteric species. Hence Cr3+ Zn2+ and Al3+ (last specification also included Pb and Sn ions, now dropped)

Have a look at this… http://intechemistry.files.wordpress.com/2010/09/for-xavier-8-april-20112.jpg
[ Source: Inorganic Chemistry (Second Edition)
by D.F. Schriver, P.W. Atkins, C.H. Langford. Pub Oxford.
ISBN: 0-19-8555396-X ]

sir i have a doubt about the transition metal for ammonia exchange.
Ni(OH)2 + 6NH3 ~ [Ni (NH3)6]2+ + 2OH
Cu(OH)2 + 4NH3 ~ [Cu(NH3)4(H20)2]2+ + 2OH + 2H20
why for nickel (ll) its 6 ammonia and only 4 for copper (ll) ?

Hello again ‘Chemistry Lover’ – great name by the way :)
Can I ask you to post your question in the appropriate place. I need some level of organisation or the usability of the blog will ‘degrade’. It takes my time to move comments around. Thanks :)

So, why 4 and not 6 NH3. There are many factors. 1) Entropy considerations (inc therefore, delta H changes) 2) geometry/space reasons 3) Occupancy of orbitals, 4) energy of those orbitals… and probably a number of other things too.

The reasons are too complex for me to quantify. You will not have to explain them, but will be expected to know what the product is. So here, it’s just a matter of learning the fact. I don’t like to say that, but on occasions it’s a must.

i m really sorry sir for posting my ques randomly cos i dnt knw bout ths blog’s system.. i just realized that ths blog is pretty systematic.. sir so thr are hw many equations tht we need to know for our syllabus on ths addition of ammonia sir? its very confusing sir.. is thr any specific technique to memorize or any summary for ths particular reaction involving ammonia?

No problem.

Sometimes there isn’t much of a ‘clever’ way to learn. One suggestion I’d make is to list all the reactions down and try and group them according to common features, e.g. all one group in which all the complexes have 6 NH3′s Take the most heavily populated category as your DEFAULT case for all compounds. Then, look at the minor categories, and make them ‘exceptions’ to the rule. Do that for other minor groups too, e.g. those with 2 NH3 like Ag. Pretty quickly you will cover all the groups. Then, if necessary, think of some way in which to tie the groups together. I don’t have a specific trick to learn this one.

– If anyone does have any good tips here, I’d love to hear of it –

You might like to give this a quick read: http://hsc.csu.edu.au/study/memorisation.htm

Salam sir,
I have a question regarding the shape of metal complexes with 4 ligands. On the books it says the shape is either tetrahedral or square planar. How to determine whether the shape of a given metal complex with 4 ligands is tetrahedral or square planar? Or we just need to memorize it? And what determines the shape – ligand or the charge?

Salam.
Problem: The energies involved in many aspects of t-metal complexes are very similar. To be able to fully predict exactly what happens in all cases, you need to know these energies and ‘sum’ them up.

A small energy difference relating to one aspect involved with complexes can affect the overall energy of the system giving the appearance of a different or unpredictable result.

Identification and evaluation of all those factors is beyond A-level. So, just get familiar with the ones specifically mentioned in the syllabus and memorise them. :(

Assume all have 6-coordination and just learn the small number of 4 coordinate ones (e.g. cis-platin) and the exact shape they have.

If they asked you something (or gave you info suggesting) that implies a 4-coordinate complex, and you had to state the shape, then as it’s not a specified learning requirement, then you are almost 100% certain to get marks if you said square planar or tetrahedral, but none if you said octahedral.

Salam sir..

Catalyst is one of the application of t.metals..
Why can’t other metal, say G1 metal, be used as a catalyst too?

Is it because of the fact that G1 elements could only be of one oxidation state?

Salam.

Yes, as a quick answer you are right.

The discussion below expands on that slightly.

The definition of a catalyst is that it’s not consumed in a reaction. In the case of t.metals, because the energy involved in them giving and taking electrons, is quite low, it’s easy to do and hence, it is easy to return to the original state as it was before the reaction.

For gp1 elements however, they give away e- very easily but it’s very hard for them to take electrons back again afterwards. They’re all around about -2.xx V each} The initial state of the gp1 element is unlikely to be regenerated, hence not a catalyst.

So can I say it’s thermodynamically feasible for a certain t.metal ion to change from one O.S to another O.S,acting as a catalyst but not in the case of G1 metal…?

I’d be happy with that, but I suspect a question asking about that might require a bit more detail. Your answer would be appropriate for a question worth about one mark.

there r 3 standard electrode potentials for oxygen as an oxidising agent. how do i know which 1 should i use?

Hi sir,

There was some confusion over which definition to use for enthalpy of solution and hydration. So, i’d just like to confirm, which one should we stick to for the next 3 weeks? :D

Ah! sorry, i posted the above comment in the wrong page. couldnt delete it.

anyway, in the preparation of chromium (II) ethanoate, is it the Zn(s) or H2 that reduces Cr from dichromate (VI) to Cr3+?

Xin Ling

hi sir,

to combine two half ionic equation to find the EMF of a cell, in the overall full equation, do we use → or ⇌ ?
What if the two half equations are given in the question (both using ⇌), so in the full ionic equation, are we expected to use → or ⇌ ? The marking scheme uses → but didnt say anything about accepting ⇌, while i just followed the question and used ⇌. (June 2007 Unit Test 6B (synoptic)).

Thanks.
xin ling.

@49, emrys ong, June 1, 2011 at 8:58 pm

Page 15
44 [O2(g) + 2H2O(l)], 4OH-(aq)|Pt +0.40
52 [2H+(aq) + O2(g)], H2O2(aq)|Pt +0.68
91 [O3(g) + 2H+(aq)], [O2(g) + H2O(l)]|Pt +2.08

Page 17:
½O2(g) + 2H+(aq) + 2e- ⇌ H2O(l) +1.23
O2(g) + 2H+(aq) + 2e- ⇌ H2O2(aq) +0.68

You can figure out which one to use by
a) What conditions are present
b) What (other) product(s) is(are) formed

Do you have a specific Q in mind where you had to choose one?

@51, chocoviolicious1808, June 4, 2011 at 1:02 pm
I presume you meant {see bold O.S.}:
“anyway, in the preparation of chromium (II) ethanoate, is it the Zn(s) or H2 that reduces Cr from dichromate (VI) to Cr2+?”
If I am right that you made a simple typo, then state Zn as it’s the reagent used.

@52, chocoviolicious1808, June 5, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Use of ⇌ in redox EQUILIBRIUM is fine.
I’d only worry about it IF the answer scheme rejected “⇌” which I very much doubt it does.
→ might be (casually) used simply to show which direction the reaction goes in.

i have one ques in mind. let say they ask us to find whether oxygen can oxidise Fe2+ to Fe3+ in acidic cond. how do i know which 1 to use?
½O2(g) + 2H+(aq) + 2e- ⇌ H2O(l) +1.23
O2(g) + 2H+(aq) + 2e- ⇌ H2O2(aq) +0.68
because they will give different feasibility

Fe2+ –> Fe3+ + e-
MnO4- + 8H+ + 5e- –> Mn2+ + 4h2O
to detect the titration we need to see when there is permanent pink colour.
may i know why?

Re: #54,

@51,
Yes, typo, sorry. Then what’s the purpose of the 50% HCl?

@52,
If there’s a worry that ⇌ would be rejected, then can we say that its safest to use → ?

Thanks,
Xin Ling

In an exercise to investigate the percentage by mass of iron in an iron(II) compound, a student made up 250 cm3 of the solution of the iron(II) compound in a volumetric flask using dilute sulfuric acid. The student then titrated 25.0 cm3 portions of the solution, to which excess dilute sulfuric acid had been added, with 0.0200 mol dm–3 aqueous potassium manganate(VII) solution. The equation for the reaction is:
MnO4-(aq) + 5Fe2+(aq) + 8H+(aq) —> Mn2+(aq) + 5Fe3+(aq) + 4H2O(l)
Suggest one reason why the iron(II) solution was made up in dilute sulfuric acid and more dilute sulfuric acid was added before each titration was carried out.

I dont understand why one of the answers given is ‘to prevent oxidation of Fe2+ by air’.

Thanks,
Xin Ling

The process of rusting involves O2 dissolving in H2O.
O2(aq) + 2H2O(l) + 4e- = 4OH-(aq)
Fe2+ in the presence of OH- (as you know) forms the ‘dirty’ green Fe(OH)2 ppte.
More of the aq molecular oxygen then reacts with the Fe(OH)2(s) to form Fe(OH)3(s) the foxy red ppte, which can be considered to be rust, Fe2O3.xH2O.

So remove the OH- ions, by having enough H+ ions present will remove both the OH- from the solution (and because of equilibrium, remove the O2 from the water too!)
Hence Fe2+ will not rust in acidic solution.

More H2SO4 is added as H+ is consumed in the reaction with MnO4- so there will always be excess H+ ions as the titration is going on.

Rusting isn’t specified in the new A2 syllabus. It was in the old one.

@ 55, emrys ong, June 6, 2011 at 1:58 pm (sorry I’ve got the answer ordering mixed up)

You asked:
i have one ques in mind. let say they ask us to find whether oxygen can oxidise Fe2+ to Fe3+ in acidic cond. how do i know which 1 to use?
½O2(g) + 2H+(aq) + 2e- ⇌ H2O(l) +1.23
O2(g) + 2H+(aq) + 2e- ⇌ H2O2(aq) +0.68
because they will give different feasibility

You would not use
O2(g) + 2H+(aq) + 2e- ⇌ H2O2(aq) +0.68
why?
Because Fe3+(aq) + e- ⇌ Fe2+(aq) +0.77 p17 data book
You have as your reactants Fe2+ and O2. so you must swap the Fe equation.
Fe2+(aq) ⇌ Fe3+(aq) + e- -0.77
Then you add it to the ‘oxygen’ equation (O2 must be on the LHS)
The E(std)cell would be -’ve hence not feasible.

Also, but this is a bit trivial, there was no indication or declaration that the reaction produced H2O2. So choosing the ‘oxygen’ equation where just H2O was formed is the usual thing to do in such cases.

from what I’ve seen, many students seem to think they can just chose some equation in which they ‘see oxygen’ and then just use that. But the question restricts you. You must have the O2 on the left and Fe2+ on the left. For a feasible reaction you must get E(std)cell to be +’ve

thanks!

Oh, this whole question is not really concerning the new specification? Cos if im not mistaken, there is one answer which says that it is becos 8 mol of H+ is needed to react with 1 mol MnO4-. Honestly, that answer is the easiest to understand , so i only understand that particular one. :D

@ 56, emrys ong, June 6, 2011 at 2:03 pm

you asked:
Fe2+ –> Fe3+ + e-
MnO4- + 8H+ + 5e- –> Mn2+ + 4h2O
to detect the titration we need to see when there is permanent pink colour.
may i know why?

The permanent pink is due to a slight excess of KMnO4- from the last drop you added from the burette. It’s pale pink (and NOT deep purple) because the slight excess of KMnO4 is diluted in the large volume of liquid in the conical flask.

Do not say the pale pink colour is because of the Mn2+(aq) ions produced. Yes, Mn2+(aq) is pale pink but the intensity is so low compared to the diluted KMnO4- that it’s not the Mn2+ pale pink that your eyes use to see the end point. Also, the pale pink of Mn2+ would almost definitely be ‘masked’ by the Fe species, even if the Fe species were in low concentrations. Even if a colourless redox system is used instead of Fe, then as the titration goes on, the Mn2+ would be present from the beginning and increase in concentration as the titration proceeded. Hence there would be no sudden change/appearance/disappearance of colour even of your eyes were good enough to see it.

@ 57, chocoviolicious1808, June 6, 2011 at 9:24 pm

Re: #54 &51,
Yes, typo, sorry. Then what’s the purpose of the 50% HCl?

- To facilitate the redox reaction. You have noticed in the data book that H+ ions are present (in face necessary, by helping balance the charge in the redox equations) to allow the reaction to proceed. There might be an role for a possible [ZnCl4]2- complex formed also, but I’m not 100% sure about that.

@52,
If there’s a worry that ⇌ would be rejected, then can we say that its safest to use → ?

- In redox equilibrium, it’s actually safest to use ⇌ rather than → because most of the reactions we see at A-level here are reversible

Thanks,
Xin Ling

- You are most welcome :)

@ 61, chocoviolicious1808, June 12, 2011 at 3:02 pm, Re: answer #59.

Oh, this whole question is not really concerning the new specification? Cos if im not mistaken, there is one answer which says that it is becos 8 mol of H+ is needed to react with 1 mol MnO4-. Honestly, that answer is the easiest to understand , so i only understand that particular one. :D

Well, yeah, you’re quite right, that’s important too (and I did mention that near the end :D ) but your query was specific to oxidation by air, hence the focus of my answer was specific to that. :)

hi sir. i have 2 ques regarding transition metals
1. copper (I) complex has no colour because their d subshells are full of electrons.
but why copper (I) oxide is red in colour?
2. why copper (II) sulphate solution has formula [Cu(H2O)6]2+ but not CuSO4?

sorry, sir. i have another 2 more ques
1.what is the difference between [Cr(H2O)6]3+.3Cl- and [Cr(H2O)5Cl]2+(2Cl-).H2O?
2. during the titration of manganate(vii) to find out the concentration of Fe2+, why must we add dilute sulphuric acid into the Fe2+ in the conical flask?

Dear emrys

In [Cr(H2O)6]3+.3Cl- the Cr has 6 dative covalent bonds (coordinate bonds) to the water ligands.
In [Cr(H2O)5Cl]2+(2Cl-).H2O only 5 water ligands are bonded to the Cr. The 6th ligand is a Cl- species.
The two complexes are different, however CrCl3 dissolved in water usually forms a mixture of both ligands. This goes some way to explain the strange Green colour seen. Pure [Cr(H2O)6]3+ is a violet colour. the “pentaaqua monochloro” complex is green. A brief discussion about this with Edexcel can be seen here.

The answer to Q2 is given above. See comments 58, 59, 61, 63 and 64

thank you very much sir for ur ans previously. but everytime i read sure hv new ques coming out. n my friend also not sure about the thg i ask. so sir i need ur help again.
i hv 2 ques also this time. hehe

1. 2Cu2+(aq) + 4I – (aq) → 2CuI(s) + I2(aq)
Ques: E○ values of this ques is negative. But why in practise this reaction does happen n iodine is liberated?
Ans: CuI is a solid (so conditions are not standard) (1)
Equilibrium is pulled over/moves to favour the r.h.s. (1)
My doubt: Is it for every reaction that has solid deposited in their products, the condition is not standard as the standard conditons for all is in aqueous form? So every reaction that has solid as products the p.o.e. will move to the r.h.s.?

2. Zn2+ + 2e– ⇌ Zn – 0.76
Cu2+ + 2e– ⇌ Cu + 0.34
NO3– + 2H+ + e– ⇌ NO2 + H2O + 0.81
Ques: (i) Use the half equations given above and the values of E ○ to calculate the
standard electrode potential for the reaction between zinc and nitric acid and
derive the equation.
Ereaction = (+) 1.57 (V) (1)
Zn + 2NO3– + 4H+ –> Zn2+ + 2NO2 + 2H2O (1)
(ii) Suggest why zinc does not produce hydrogen with nitric acid.
Ans:Ereaction for the production of hydrogen is (+) 0.76 (V) (1)
smaller than reaction in (i) so is less likely (1)
My doubt: Why zinc does not produce hydrogen although the Ereaction is also positive? How does nitric acid related in this case?

emrys.

1.
“Is it for every reaction that has solid deposited in their products, ” – Yes. (but not for product that form the electrode Fe2+ + 2e- → Fe(s))

“the condition is not standard as the standard conditons for all is in aqueous form” – yes, apart from the electrode thing as above.

“So every reaction that has solid as products the p.o.e. will move to the r.h.s.?” – I would again say yes to that.

It’s a bit similar to acid chloride + carbox acid way of making an ester. The reaction goes to completion cos the HCl(g) product leaves so the eqm drives the reaction continually to the RHS.

2.
The reaction with the greatest positive Ereaction is the one that is more (thermodynamically) favoured, hence is the one that happens. I dare say there will be a small (but sinignificant) amount of H2 produced.

“How does nitric acid related in this case?” – I’m not too sure what you mean by that.

1. copper (I) complex has no colour because their d subshells are full of electrons.
but why copper (I) oxide is red in colour?

Ha ha! :)
I cannot quite remember, but I seem to recall it has to do with a kind of electron flow throughout the Cu2O lattice in which I think the O’s non-bonding orbitals contribute.
You need to know it’s red, but the reason why will definitely not be on the exam.

Inorganic chemistry isn’t my strength, so I’m a bit ‘weak’ on remembering those things.

oh nvm sir. thanks a lot for your time. hehe.

@69 ques 2
How does nitric acid related in this case?” – I’m not too sure what you mean by that.
My thinking: Is nitric acid become the solution to provide H+ ion for standard hydrogen electrode instead of Hcl?

1. for measuring potential difference, standard hydrogen electrode must place on the LHS? or it depends on whether SHE is acting as negative terminal or positive terminal?
because george facer put in on the RHS when it is used to measure the potential difference for iron. but the other book mention that SHE must put on the LHS

2. why Cu2+ is more stable than Cu+ although Cu+ has fully filled d subshell?

The SHE is always put on the left according to the convention.
Facer is being naughty and I’m not sure why he is doing it, but I have no doubt he could justify it (i.e. maybe vis high resistance voltmeter is swapped around – just a guess, or maybe he knows which species is being oxidised e.g. one electrode being ‘eaten’ away hence oxidation, so mentally automatically corrected the sign.)

Putting the SHE on the left always gives the correct sign, + or -, for the standard reduction potential If you put the SHE on the other side, the magnitude will be the same, but the sign will be the wrong way around.

Example: Using the SHE on the left, in accordance with the convention, gives the Zn2+(aq) | Zn(s) half cell a reduction potential of -0.76 V
Putting the SHE on the right would give Zn2+(aq) | Zn(s) half cell a reduction potential of +0.76 V

Re: HNO3. The H+ in the SHE comes from H2(g) not a conventional acid.
The equation is H2(g) ⇌ 2H+(aq) + 2e-

2. In aqueous solution, most Cu(I) complexes are unstable and revert to Cu(II). Out of solution many Cu compounds revert to Cu(I) on heating from Cu(II). If you are talking about compounds or complexes then I am not too sure why this is the case, but it’s going to be the usual consideration of ionisation energies, lattice energies, polarisation, crystal lattice structure etc. In Cu compounds and complexes the empty orbitals in 4s and 3d get filled by the ligand, so in the complex, we don’t really have empty or partially empty d-subshells any more.

If you are just talking about Cu ions only (like as if you are doing an ionisation energy reading) then Cu+1 is more stable than Cu+2, because less energy is needed to remove one electron (forming Cu+1) rather than losing 2e- to form Cu+2.

ok. thanks you sir.

Emrys. I got my days mixed up, so i’ve removed my insane ramblings. Ignore me.

Sir,

when a compound is hydrated, is it due to the water ligands or water hydrogen-bonded to it through hydration? And whats the difference between water ligand and water of crystallisation?

Thanks,
Xin Ling

According to the Chem dictionary #2 in the sidebar links, WoC is “Water that is stoichiometrically bound in a crystal” i.e. the number of water molecules necessary for the adoption of the crystal structure. Some (usually most) of these water molecules might be bound to the metal (standard metal-ligand interaction). You can add (a little) more water but the crystal structure won’t change. Removing that water of crystallisation will change the crystal structure. And adding an excess of water will cause the ions to dissolve breaking down the crystal structure.

A compound is hydrated whenever water molecules are present with(in) the compound in question. So CuSO4 is anhydrous, CuSO4.H2O (unnatural) is hydrated. CuSO4.5H2O (natural) is hydrated. CuSO4(aq) is also hydrated. In a hydrated compound the water molecules could be ligands but not necessarily so – they may fit into the structure in other ways.

I read CuSO4.5H2O the pentahydrate (natural) has 4 H2O’s on the Cu and one H2O bonding to the sulfate.

Oh… Sounds kinda complicated @@ thanks! :)

It is a bit :(
Just treat WoC as being like the metal-ligand bonds that you’ve seen before and any more water after a certain amount (5 for CuSO4) will start to ‘dissolve’ the crystals.

are there ayn resources or notes which can help satisfy the points
5.3.1 j &k in the new syllabus
plz need help soon my exams are in jan
thnx in advance

5.3.1 j
discuss the use of hydrogen and alcohol fuel cells as energy
sources, including the source of the hydrogen and alcohol, eg
used in space exploration, in electric cars
5.3.1.k
demonstrate an understanding of the principles of modern
breathalysers based on an ethanol fuel cell and compare this
to methods based on the use of IR and to the reduction of
chromium compounds.

I personally do not give notes on this (I leave it as a student project). But you could try the very very good http://www.drbateman.net/asa2sums/sum5.3/sum5.3.htm

Describe and carry out, where appropriate, experiments to
investigate the characteristic behaviour of amino acids. This will be
limited to:
i acidity and basicity and the formation of zwitterions
ii separation and identifi cation by chromatography
iii effect of aqueous solutions on plane-polarised
monochromatic light
iv formation of peptide groups in proteins by condensation
polymerization
v reaction with ninhydrin

thnx alot Sir ,
well for the points above should I really do experimnets for each point
I mean for example for the first point do I have to do any experiment and if yes what should it be ???
also for the last point Am I supposed to learn the equation of rthat reaction or not ???

thnx in advance

That info is covered by what’s known as Core Practical 29
but i don’t have that.
See: http://www.edexcel.com/migrationdocuments/GCE%20New%20GCE/GCE_Chemistry_8CH01Practical_work_Mapping_Green.pdf for that reference.

If you could get a hold of CP29, it may help.

Sorry, that’s all I can do at this moment.

There is a little bit about it here: http://www.drbateman.net/newasa2topics/newtopics/5.4.doc

and this video, which is a bit bio-ish and bit beyond the A-level chem specification, but still, may be of some small help: Introduction to Proteins http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9eWhSbjSFI,
and this perhaps: Separation of aminoacids by TLC (Amrita University)

thnx Sir

rif, what textbook are you using? Surely the textbooks cover it?

Why do transition metal form complex ion ?
I hypothesized that it may be due to the formation of dative covalent bond btw ligands makin it more stable but im nt too sure…Pls do clarify ..
Thank you in advance.

Gud day sir
Tis a question tat i find difficult 2 ans..hope u cn explain..
How do you explain the diff in biological activity btween cis-plastin n trans-plastin ? (que frm pearson a2)
Thanx

And a good day to u 2. You are very much on the right lines… they form complexes because T.metal ions have many vacant orbitals of an energy and shape similar to that of many nucleophiles. Also the formation of complexes leads to a increase in total entropy (the physical reason why EVERYTHING happens)

The geometrical arrangement of the replaceable ligands in cis-platin is such that the molecule can bond to both strands of DNA preventing transcription hence reproduction of the cell, hence the cell will die. In the other configuration, the cis-platin molecule isn’t the right fashion to lock both strands together.

Try here for more info that sounds more ‘medical’: http://www.netdoctor.co.uk/cancer/medicines/cisplatin.html
or google around e.g. How does cic-platin work.

Hope all is well with you sir
what is the difference between a deprotonation and a ligand exchange reaction ?
How do i tell for sure that the complex ion is undergoing ligand exchange or deprotonation rxn ?
thank in advance fro your help sir

A deprotonation is where a H+ (which is a proton) is removed from some substance by using a base. In this topic the substance is usually an aqua complex e.g. [Cu(H2O)6]2+(aq) and the base is a hydroxide ion OH- (which can be generated when ammonia is added to water). The -OH pulls a proton from the H2O ligand.

A ligand exchange is where one species with a coordinate bond to a metal ion is replaced by a different species. The other species makes it’s own coordinate bond to the metal ionE.g.the EDTA ligand can replace the H2O ligand.

Deprotonations form precipitates. If you see one forming (which may redissolve on addition of excess -OH) then the reaction was deprotonation.
Ligand exchanges tend to just change the colour of the complex and hence the colour of the solution.

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